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And chains I was bound,

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I was a madman on the run.

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Welcome to Tell the Truth, a weekly podcast

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about faith, current events, and life in general,

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brought to you from Mountain View Baptist Church

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live every Monday night at 6PM

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central time.

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And welcome back this week. It is really

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good to have everybody joining us, and, man,

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we got six people watching on,

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Rumble tonight. That's kinda awesome.

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And, three people listening to us,

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listening to the audio

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broadcast. So

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we really appreciate everybody joining us tonight.

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And,

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kicking off this week and kicking off, after

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the

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the very grateful blessing we had this weekend

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of the storms passing this area by.

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Feel really bad for everybody that was outside

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the area that got hit. I know that

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it got rough in some places, but we

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are

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very thankful that that storm missed us. And,

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that was just and we know that that

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was God

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sparing sparing us another one.

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Brother Dennis, how's your week starting off? So

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far so good. So yeah. Yeah. So a

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little pain in my left ear, but I'm

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I'm I'm doing okay. Thanks, Tyler. You're welcome

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very much. Yeah. It helps if I plug

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the, headphone amps in before you put the

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headphones on.

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No. All's good. All's good. Well, good. And,

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brother Brian, how are you doing this week?

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Awesome, man. Good start to a good week.

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So yeah. Fantastic.

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And tonight, we have with us a, special

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guest, brother,

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Tanner Pridmore.

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Hello. Hello. How are you this evening? Doing

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good. Doing good. Busy. Busy today,

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especially with the storms coming around because I

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work in insurance. So,

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you know, helping people with damages and stuff

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like that. You know?

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It's it's busy, but, you know, that's what

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we're here for. Oh, wow. Yeah.

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That's,

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that yeah. I imagine insurance gets absolutely insane

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after a storm or anything like that. Yes.

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Luckily, it's not as bad as what, you

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know, people have predicted it'd be. But you

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know Praise the lord for that. Yeah. Praise

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the lord. Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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Brother Tanner is, just recently joined the church

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here at Mountain View, and, we're very grateful

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to have him and his wife. And I'm

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very grateful to have somebody that knows video

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because I can now Yes.

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Have somebody doing that part for me in

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the services,

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and I'm very, very grateful.

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So we love having you here. And,

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thank you. Now you do some TikTok. Mhmm.

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What is your TikTok? Yep. So the my

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TikTok page is called the redhead preacher.

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I'm surprised nobody took it. But,

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but, yeah, I created that page,

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probably in 2020.

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I wasn't in, like, the beginning stages of

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TikTok, but,

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started doing it just for fun. And then

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I saw where people were posting stuff about,

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like, Christianity

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and why it's wrong. And I'm like, well,

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I mean, that goes against what I believe.

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it. And I guess that's where

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the love

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of apologetics came, and,

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I guess I started making TikToks of,

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I guess, hard subjects and, you know, challenging

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subjects for, you know, us Christians to believe.

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yeah. So I'm just started doing that a

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little bit. I've slacked off a little bit,

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but I'm actually gaining,

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a little bit of traction getting,

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least, like, once a week doing, like, a

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world world religion and dissecting it and what

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the actual truth of reality is. And and

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when we dissect it, it is Christianity,

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all the way through. So Every time. And

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that's that's the thing that I think a

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lot of people

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you know, I say it on here a

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lot that,

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you know, like you pointed out last week,

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brother Dennis, you know, the world hates us.

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The world really doesn't like Christians. They don't

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like Christianity. They don't like the message of

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Christ

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and they want it silenced and they want

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it gone. And

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anymore, that's just,

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we have to remember that we're not alone,

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that we're out here, that there are other

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Christians out here and we are listening, we

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are watching, we are paying attention.

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And even if the whole world is against

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us, if God be for us, who can

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be against us? And we we have to

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be willing to take that message out and

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not be afraid to tell people.

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And so it's very grateful

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to to have,

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have people going out and doing like you're

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doing on TikTok. What day did you, what

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day did you do your TikTok last week?

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Monday of last week. I didn't see it

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until, like, Thursday or Wednesday night. Yeah. And

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we got to talking about Mormonism and bible

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study a little bit. We didn't get deep

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into it, but,

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but yeah. So that that was one of

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the subjects that, the red headed preacher tackled

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here here recently. And and, something that, that

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we've got as a church to experience going

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out to Kemmer, Wyoming,

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to a church plant out there and, and

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getting to,

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be in the field and witness to to,

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Mormons and, some elders. I actually got to

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go into the church, or into a elder's

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house and, and and had a chance to

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witness to him and pray with him and,

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his family when we left. But, man, it's,

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yeah. I I mean, people need to know

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the truth. Right? It's not like we're trying

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to tear down people. We're trying to tear

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down lies. Yeah. Well.

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Alright. So apologetics. Now that is always a

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fun topic. I love diving into that.

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I grew up listening to Moody Radio and

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some of the guys on there that would

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would go deep into apologetics.

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I think it's an interesting topic, and I

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think it's something that more Christians need to

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be aware of.

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And so apologetics, it's it's all about saying

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we're sorry for for offending people. Right? That

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that's what we're out here doing.

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That's what we To give to give a

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defense.

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the faith.

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Defending the faith. Yeah. And there's so much

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out there. There's so many things out there

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that and I that's what I told them.

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I I just printed a list of stuff

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off, and I've got part of the way

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through. I'm just checking off some things. But

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but there's so many things that people,

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will hit you with, you know, in your

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Christian life. And and I've heard some people

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say, well, you shouldn't have to defend it.

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It's the truth, and that's just the way

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it is. You know? But,

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you know, I I wanna give them the

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Bible says to give a reason. Right? To

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give a reason for your faith. To give

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a reason for what's inside of you and

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what you believe.

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the only way that you can do that

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is by studying into the word of God,

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by digging into his word and finding the

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truth. And so and so there's a lot

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of there's a lot of modern day things

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that come into play, the, you know, ideas

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and ideologies that people have today,

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that,

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that form their their and shape their opinions

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in this world. Yeah. And that's it's, there's

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different different parts of politics, and I guess,

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you're more into Christian apologetics versus the the

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standard, you know, William Lane Craig kinda is

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there a God kind of stuff. But I

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I remember, man, long time ago, I got

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into this pretty hard.

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And, back in the days of AOL message

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boards Yeah. And, you know, you dial up

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and it's, ee y'all.

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old school, man. Yeah. And it, man, everything

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just turned into an argument.

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got to arguing a lot, you know. But

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there were folks that

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would just go for the sake of arguing.

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Everybody would just dig in deeper. Right. You

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know, and and there's, there's some smart people

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out there that will doubt the existence of

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God and tell you why, you know. And

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it's it's a tough business. Yeah. It really

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is. If there's anything, especially our kids today

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that they especially going into college, right, if

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you've ever taken,

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any kind of class in in psychology. I

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mean, I I remember in my psychology class

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at Northeast,

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it was one of the,

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one of the first times that I'd had

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anybody with with any really brainpower come I

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mean, you know, a very intelligent person come

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against you with with something that was against

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what you grew up with. I mean, I

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mean, I

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was so thankful for my for my faith

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and and what I grew up in, you

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know, that that man, God was God was

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good to give me that that background. Yeah.

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I was very fortunate when I went through,

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the we had options, of course, for our

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humanities. Mhmm.

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And I really didn't have to take an

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extra one because I was involved in the

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theater and that counted for my humanities class,

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but I wanted to take the ethics class.

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There was there was an ethics teacher and

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he did this, it was a sociology

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ethics class and and things like that. And,

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it was,

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can't even remember the guy's name now that

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taught the class at the time, but he

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was a Presbyterian minister.

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And so it was really interesting to get

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somebody who was a Christian,

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has an interesting view of Christianity,

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if you've ever had conversations,

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and and yet still managed to keep things

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where he was not bashing Christians, but he

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also wasn't

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entirely bashing the ideas of the world and

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I mean he he actually I was very

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fortunate to have somebody that just kind of

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would open the floor up and have us

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actually get in there and debate things and

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it was like wow that was that was

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neat and I I'm aware that I had

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a very unique experience that is

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not most people's experience, and I'm so great.

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You'll think it through when when you have

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to really type it out or or state

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it. Right? Right, Tanner? I mean Yeah. I

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mean, even, like, when people talk about their

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worldview,

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like, even whenever I look at videos of

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Christians and maybe a certain worldviews

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being debated,

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you really have to understand the other person

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and where they come from. Right. Because at

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the end of the day, it's a person

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to person conversation. It's not necessarily this, oh,

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like, I know the truth, you don't. It's

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a conversation between two human beings that's trying

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to solve a problem

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of trying to solve, I guess, this,

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the answer of reality. Yeah. And that that's

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the point. And the free exchange of ideas,

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which I'm very grateful in America, we have

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that,

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and just having that discussion with that person

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being honest. Yeah. Most people, whenever they do

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apologetics, are doing it with a hard heart

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Yeah. And a callous heart. Yeah. But when

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you are open to the ideas of what

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they're saying

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and, I guess, not critiquing it, but I

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guess having that conversation of different world views,

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you really get down to the nitty gritty

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and it becomes more personable. Not as much

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about winning an argument as it is about

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winning a soul. It ain't about because because

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what you should be doing is planting a

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seed. Right? I mean, that's that's what we're

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there for. And it and it's not so

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much about how smart I am and how

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smart you are or or as a lot

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of people like to look at how smart

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they are and how dumb we are.

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It it's it's just about, look, I'm gonna

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put this truth out there. This is the

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truth that I know from the word of

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God, and I believe it by faith, right,

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in Jesus Christ. And because I believe it

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in faith in Jesus Christ, I believe that

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the Holy Spirit's gonna go before me.

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And I may not win that argument that

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day, but, but the Holy Spirit can go

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with them. The Holy Spirit can take it

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home with them, and they can they can

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mull over it that night. They can lose

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sleep Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That night. That's what

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that's what we pray for, right, that the

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Holy Spirit goes before us and does his

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work. That's the power of the gospel, really.

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It's not in our reasoning, our intellects, our

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all our arguments. It's in the power of

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the gospel, the power of the word of

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God

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that gets in there. And that's one thing,

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like, God didn't, I guess, call us to,

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I guess, win the argument. It's to plant

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that seed. Yeah. That's the important thing. Right.

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So every chance we can get, you know,

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the plant that seed, even it's just, like,

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one point that you made. It doesn't even

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have to be the whole argument. Yeah. One

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point

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might get them to think, oh, wow. Like,

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there might be more than my than what

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I'm receiving in reality. Yeah. And that that's

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our goal. And it could take a year

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to sink in or Exactly. Two years or

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five. Yeah. Amen. Amen. So what does practically,

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let let's go from it this direction then.

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Practically, I know as a as a young

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Christian growing up, that was one thing. I

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heard a lot of people give all these

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wonderful points and make all these they can

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explain why we believe this, why we believe

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that. But what does it look like practically

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to put this into practice when you're dealing

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with somebody that maybe is coming against the

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faith and saying, hey, that can't be true.

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There's no way that that happened. There's no

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way that this point in the Bible is

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something that even matters anymore. What does that

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look like practically to argue that or to

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to defend that?

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Well, I would say that,

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number one, when you when you go into

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that argument, again, it's like Tanner said, you

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gotta have you gotta have the right mindset

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and the right heart for it. Because if

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you don't, all you're doing is just getting

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upset and angry. And I'll be honest with

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you. There's some there's some guys out there.

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I've talked Yeah. Talking about this one guy

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that I Yeah. That I listen to, and

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I've,

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or, I'm not following him, but I guess

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I am. But he's on my he pops

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up on my TikTok all the time.

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And,

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this guy has just come against Christianity left

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and right and saying he's a preacher. And,

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oh, man, I I I'm not gonna say

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I don't get a little bit of righteous

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anger sometimes. You know? So I gotta I

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gotta hold that back. You know? But and

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and you've gotta be careful in what you

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say,

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and not just completely

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just come at the guy with a fight,

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but come at the guy with truth and

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Yep. Things that you know is truth and

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things that you believe in faith.

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Most of the world, and I think most

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of apologetics,

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the the issue and the problem, the reason

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we have apologetics

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is

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because that people who are lost don't believe

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in faith. Right? It's it's got to be

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it's got to be something they can see,

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something they can touch and feel.

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And if they can't see it and touch

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it and feel it, then it must not

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be true. And so to win the argument

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of, well,

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some things we just believe and trust in

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faith.

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Okay.

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But

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what backs that up? What backs that up?

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Well, okay. I didn't I didn't see Jesus

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raised from the dead, but I

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know that

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scripture tells me that there were hundreds and

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hundreds of people that did see him and

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those scriptures are also historical, right? They're not

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just they're not just in my bible, but

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those are historical facts that they were that

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they were more than what, 500 people that

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seen Jesus

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after the resurrection. So,

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so those are things that we that we

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you can back those facts up with, but

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then there's also some things that we say,

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well, I just believe it. When we start

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talking about the trinity and things like like

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that, you know, how do you explain it?

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How do you how how can you say

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it's true? Well, I trust it because I

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believe in him, and I believe in his

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word. Well, that's one thing that,

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you have to be careful of is whenever,

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like, what you said, there's things in the

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bible that we're not even supposed to know.

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Yeah. And I guess comprehend it because it's

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so much above our heads. Right. Because we're

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so we're human Yeah. At the end of

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the day. I mean, our logic and our,

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and the way how we think

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is so flawed. Yeah. Time, space, and matter

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all that's all we can Yes. That's all

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we can do. And whenever we talk about

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things that are, I guess, of spiritual matter,

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some of that can it might be over

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our head. So we have to take that

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with a grain of salt. That's right. Amen.

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Amen.

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Amen. Well, one thing is is, you know,

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the beginning, how this whole thing was formed.

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How did you know, that's one of the

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arguments. You know? Was it an explosion? Was

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it, you know, what did did we come

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from an amoeba or, you know, this little

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this little sale somewhere? Well, who who created

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that sale, you know? I mean, there's there's

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just there's so much and and we go

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back to the word of God and we

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study it and we pray about it and

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we read it and we trust in it.

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And that's

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at the end of the day, that's what

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it all comes down to, right? It's faith.

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Yeah, that's kind of what's always I've always

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come back to, you know, there's different different

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arguments, you know, classic arguments for

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the existence of God, right? I wrote some

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of these down because believe me, I don't

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remember these.

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Cosmological,

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it means it can't be an infinite number

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of causes, right?

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A lot of people that so called believe

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in science,

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they position science against God somehow even though

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they're not against each other. Right. But they

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just keep pushing us back to some, you

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know, micro dot that with infinite mass that

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exploded.

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And I think they're doubting that more and

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more, but they'd push it back to another

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universe, another universe, another.

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But there's gotta be at some point, there's

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gotta be an uncaused cause. Something had to

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cause everything that came into existence and that's

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God, right? That's who we see as God.

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The second one is the teleological

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that's from design, right? That's the watchmaker argument,

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right? You find a Rolex watch out in

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the field, you know Somebody had to make

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it. Somebody had to make it. And that's

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the Romans one argument, right? That you can

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look around at creation and say there is

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a God

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without excuse. And the third one is the

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moral argument

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that because there

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are objective moral standards,

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there must be a standard giver. Yeah. That's

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right. Yep. And that actually turns out to

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be like one of the weakest though.

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You wouldn't think it, but because people see

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chaos

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and think, well,

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maybe that's not the case.

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But it is true. And then the fourth

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one is ontological

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argument that the existence of a God is

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necessary, just like the existence of truth is

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necessary. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But it really comes

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down to a combination of all of them.

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Right. They all work together. They do. Yeah.

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And you can't just pick one of them

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out and roll with it. And what it

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always came back to for me was that,

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if

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there is a God, you know, I can't

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claim to be an atheist because

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it's just

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to say there is no God, you can't

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prove a negative, right? And most people who

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are atheists are really just agnostic.

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You can't say, there is definitely no God

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because you don't You're not God and you

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don't know.

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But most people will fall back into this

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thing

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on on, I forgot what I was gonna

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say. Go ahead.

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I got a lot less than it. But

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I mean, you do have a bunch that

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says, you know, people are inherently good, you

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know, and then Yeah. And and and that

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but but we're not. Right? Yeah. We're we're

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standards

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evolved. Evolved. Yeah. But I mean, and and

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there's there's there's two sides of that thing.

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You know, if you're not saved, if you

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have if you don't have Jesus Christ living

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in your heart through the Holy Spirit,

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is is there is there good people outside

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of Christianity? Yeah. I mean, by our standards,

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there are there are people who don't steal,

531
00:19:25,194 --> 00:19:27,914
who don't use bad language, who would help

532
00:19:27,914 --> 00:19:30,474
you do anything. Right? And and they may

533
00:19:30,474 --> 00:19:32,075
be be some of the most giving people

534
00:19:32,075 --> 00:19:32,730
in the world.

535
00:19:33,289 --> 00:19:35,849
And I think those are those are traits

536
00:19:35,849 --> 00:19:36,349
that

537
00:19:36,730 --> 00:19:38,970
are born into us. I mean, because we

538
00:19:38,970 --> 00:19:41,529
are God's creation. Right? Yeah. We may not

539
00:19:41,529 --> 00:19:43,210
belong to him. Made in the image of

540
00:19:43,210 --> 00:19:44,970
him. Yeah. But we are made in the

541
00:19:44,970 --> 00:19:46,825
image of him. And so there are there

542
00:19:46,825 --> 00:19:49,225
are moral traits that are inside of us,

543
00:19:49,225 --> 00:19:51,965
but but those those things that that

544
00:19:52,345 --> 00:19:53,325
separate us,

545
00:19:54,105 --> 00:19:54,845
the Christians

546
00:19:55,225 --> 00:19:56,525
from non Christians

547
00:19:57,144 --> 00:19:59,065
is actually having the holy spirit of God

548
00:19:59,065 --> 00:20:01,809
living inside of us. And and it that's

549
00:20:01,809 --> 00:20:03,890
that's where the rubber meets the road because

550
00:20:04,049 --> 00:20:05,990
Yeah. I may be a good person,

551
00:20:06,690 --> 00:20:09,109
but there are things that I would do,

552
00:20:10,609 --> 00:20:13,109
on my own and outside of Christianity,

553
00:20:13,804 --> 00:20:15,565
no matter how good I am, that I

554
00:20:15,565 --> 00:20:17,585
will I will not do because

555
00:20:18,285 --> 00:20:20,525
of Christ in me. Yeah. You know? And

556
00:20:20,525 --> 00:20:22,444
because the holy spirit leads us and directs

557
00:20:22,444 --> 00:20:24,684
us. Well, and that's that's the whole argument

558
00:20:24,684 --> 00:20:27,244
that CS Lewis made in at the beginning

559
00:20:27,244 --> 00:20:29,244
of Mere Christianity where he goes through and

560
00:20:29,244 --> 00:20:31,430
he's like, if there is no objective moral

561
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:32,809
standard, if there is nothing

562
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:35,509
beyond us that says this is right, this

563
00:20:35,509 --> 00:20:36,170
is wrong,

564
00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:38,470
why did we just fight two wars? You

565
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:39,830
know, I mean, and he was coming out

566
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:41,350
of, I think, World War one when he

567
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:42,715
was writing about it, and he was like,

568
00:20:42,715 --> 00:20:44,394
why did we fight this war? Why did

569
00:20:44,394 --> 00:20:46,154
we go in and say, you can't do

570
00:20:46,154 --> 00:20:48,394
that? You can't kill people without cause. You

571
00:20:48,394 --> 00:20:50,875
can't attack, you know, people who have done

572
00:20:50,875 --> 00:20:53,115
nothing wrong. You can't just grab people up

573
00:20:53,115 --> 00:20:54,815
and then, you know, do all these things.

574
00:20:55,140 --> 00:20:56,900
And he said, but who says? You know,

575
00:20:56,900 --> 00:20:58,740
that was his whole he's like, who who

576
00:20:58,740 --> 00:21:00,259
says? Just because the rest of the world

577
00:21:00,259 --> 00:21:02,180
says it's wrong, it's wrong? He said, why?

578
00:21:02,180 --> 00:21:03,940
That makes no sense. Yeah. He said, but

579
00:21:03,940 --> 00:21:06,180
for some reason, every single person on the

580
00:21:06,180 --> 00:21:08,974
planet understood. Hey, that's wrong. Yeah. Even the

581
00:21:08,974 --> 00:21:10,815
people doing it understood it. What's the old

582
00:21:10,815 --> 00:21:12,974
thing? I've heard somebody say this a hundred

583
00:21:12,974 --> 00:21:13,474
times.

584
00:21:14,255 --> 00:21:16,174
It's always wrong to torture a baby or

585
00:21:16,174 --> 00:21:18,414
something like that. Yeah. You know, in every

586
00:21:18,414 --> 00:21:21,500
culture. Yeah. Right. Yeah. There's always something that

587
00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:23,819
sticks out. Yeah. Yeah. There's yep. And then

588
00:21:23,819 --> 00:21:26,539
that's also, like, one of the most, I

589
00:21:26,539 --> 00:21:28,700
guess, argued over points, like what you said

590
00:21:28,700 --> 00:21:31,339
about moral the moral argument. In fact, I've

591
00:21:31,339 --> 00:21:33,660
heard some atheists say that's actually the strongest

592
00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:34,964
Really? Argument,

593
00:21:35,365 --> 00:21:36,904
because there's that

594
00:21:37,284 --> 00:21:40,184
objective truth and what they believe is subjective

595
00:21:40,325 --> 00:21:43,865
truth. Yeah. And when it's opinionated, everything's opinionated

596
00:21:43,924 --> 00:21:44,825
apparently. Right.

597
00:21:45,125 --> 00:21:47,365
And you really have to ask the question,

598
00:21:47,365 --> 00:21:49,759
well, what do you say about World War

599
00:21:49,759 --> 00:21:51,140
two when Adolf Hitler

600
00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:53,920
had the concentration camps? Is that wrong, or

601
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,680
is that just subjective for them and they

602
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,480
they believe that that's true? Yeah. And it's

603
00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:59,779
just everything's opinionated.

604
00:22:00,144 --> 00:22:01,904
Yeah. Truth has been thrown out the window.

605
00:22:01,904 --> 00:22:03,825
Right? There is no truth. Yeah. I hate

606
00:22:03,825 --> 00:22:06,065
to speak. That brings it into relative truth

607
00:22:06,065 --> 00:22:08,384
too. Right? Yeah. If it's if it's relative

608
00:22:08,384 --> 00:22:10,865
to me, then if I say that this

609
00:22:10,865 --> 00:22:12,384
is good, then it's good. If I say

610
00:22:12,384 --> 00:22:14,304
that this is bad, maybe it's bad for

611
00:22:14,304 --> 00:22:15,809
you, but maybe it's not bad for me.

612
00:22:15,809 --> 00:22:17,329
Yeah. You know? And and it's because they

613
00:22:17,329 --> 00:22:18,849
backed off of saying there is no truth

614
00:22:18,849 --> 00:22:20,950
because they understand now that that's just

615
00:22:21,490 --> 00:22:23,889
Yeah. Imbecilic. Right? You can't make a true

616
00:22:23,889 --> 00:22:26,049
statement saying there's no truth. That's right. That's

617
00:22:26,049 --> 00:22:28,929
right. Yeah. Yeah. Are we sitting here today

618
00:22:28,929 --> 00:22:31,365
at this table having this podcast? Yes. That's

619
00:22:31,365 --> 00:22:34,005
true. The triangles always have three sides. Yeah.

620
00:22:34,005 --> 00:22:36,484
You know? Every time. Yep. Every time. Every

621
00:22:36,484 --> 00:22:38,964
time. And only that, it's just, I've heard

622
00:22:38,964 --> 00:22:41,545
one preacher say it like this. The evidence

623
00:22:41,845 --> 00:22:43,785
of us having this conversation

624
00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:47,009
proves that there's a truth. Yeah. Because what

625
00:22:47,009 --> 00:22:47,829
we're receiving

626
00:22:48,210 --> 00:22:50,369
is you listening to me. Right? And the

627
00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:52,130
reason why you're listening to me is because

628
00:22:52,130 --> 00:22:53,670
I have, you know, I have a voice

629
00:22:53,809 --> 00:22:56,630
that's, I guess, talking to y'all and comprehensively

630
00:22:57,274 --> 00:22:59,914
in English, the language y'all understand, and y'all

631
00:22:59,914 --> 00:23:02,634
are keeping with this conversation. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

632
00:23:02,634 --> 00:23:04,894
And that and that by itself

633
00:23:05,595 --> 00:23:08,734
shows true truth. Amen. I've only ever heard

634
00:23:08,954 --> 00:23:09,454
one,

635
00:23:10,509 --> 00:23:13,410
atheist make an argument against the idea

636
00:23:13,869 --> 00:23:15,549
of the moral. Like I say, most most

637
00:23:15,549 --> 00:23:17,309
atheists are willing to say, look, that's a

638
00:23:17,309 --> 00:23:19,470
very, very compelling argument. Mhmm. I've only heard

639
00:23:19,470 --> 00:23:20,990
one, and it was actually a comedian. It

640
00:23:20,990 --> 00:23:23,115
was Ricky Gervais. Mhmm. And he was, you

641
00:23:23,115 --> 00:23:25,195
know, he he's very famous for talking about

642
00:23:25,195 --> 00:23:26,095
I don't need,

643
00:23:27,315 --> 00:23:29,375
a a designer or creator

644
00:23:29,755 --> 00:23:31,355
to give me a moral guidance and to

645
00:23:31,355 --> 00:23:33,055
give me moral truth. And somebody

646
00:23:33,434 --> 00:23:35,389
foolishly asked him a question, what stop you

647
00:23:35,389 --> 00:23:36,750
from going out and just murdering people and

648
00:23:36,750 --> 00:23:38,269
taking whatever you want and doing whatever you

649
00:23:38,269 --> 00:23:39,250
want? And he said,

650
00:23:39,710 --> 00:23:41,869
but I do do whatever I want. I

651
00:23:41,869 --> 00:23:43,470
don't want to do those things. And it's

652
00:23:43,470 --> 00:23:45,149
like, well, do you not think maybe there's

653
00:23:45,149 --> 00:23:48,369
a reason that everybody on the planet agrees

654
00:23:48,825 --> 00:23:50,984
those things are bad. That has to come

655
00:23:50,984 --> 00:23:53,144
from somewhere. It's not an evolved because it

656
00:23:53,144 --> 00:23:55,944
doesn't make sense from an evolutionary standpoint. Yeah.

657
00:23:55,944 --> 00:23:58,684
Because, again, what what evolves out of

658
00:23:58,984 --> 00:24:01,005
I mean, we have observable

659
00:24:01,464 --> 00:24:04,019
variation within kinds. We know that that the

660
00:24:04,099 --> 00:24:06,420
stronger traits survive and the weaker traits die

661
00:24:06,420 --> 00:24:08,740
out and they get replaced. Guess what? Being

662
00:24:08,740 --> 00:24:10,420
able to beat somebody up and take things

663
00:24:10,420 --> 00:24:12,359
from is a very good survival trait.

664
00:24:13,220 --> 00:24:15,080
Even people who do things wrong

665
00:24:15,619 --> 00:24:17,619
know that they're doing things wrong. Yeah. I

666
00:24:17,619 --> 00:24:19,259
mean, it's still They try to hide it.

667
00:24:19,380 --> 00:24:21,275
True. It's like, okay. Wait. Yeah. You can

668
00:24:21,434 --> 00:24:22,954
I mean, you can see a three year

669
00:24:22,954 --> 00:24:24,555
old? Right? Or a two year old. They'll

670
00:24:24,555 --> 00:24:26,795
they'll hide and go do something wrong in

671
00:24:26,795 --> 00:24:29,275
a second. Oh, okay. Like Hitler or Stalin.

672
00:24:29,275 --> 00:24:31,194
They thought they were doing the right thing.

673
00:24:31,194 --> 00:24:34,095
Yeah. That's right. Right. So where's the compass?

674
00:24:34,154 --> 00:24:37,019
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that that and

675
00:24:37,019 --> 00:24:39,259
that is that's that's one of the oddest

676
00:24:39,259 --> 00:24:41,019
arguments I think I've ever heard, but I

677
00:24:41,019 --> 00:24:42,859
have I have actually heard one atheist make

678
00:24:42,859 --> 00:24:44,399
that argument. I'm like, okay.

679
00:24:45,339 --> 00:24:47,279
Well, I mean I mean, going back to

680
00:24:47,419 --> 00:24:50,375
the Ricky Gervais deal, if that were true

681
00:24:50,835 --> 00:24:51,575
and atheist

682
00:24:51,875 --> 00:24:54,615
atheism was true, then every single person would,

683
00:24:54,755 --> 00:24:55,734
I guess, go

684
00:24:56,115 --> 00:24:58,615
to self idolatry and get whatever they want.

685
00:24:58,674 --> 00:25:01,474
Man man pleasers, basically. Placing themselves. Yeah. Yeah.

686
00:25:01,474 --> 00:25:04,214
And, I mean, if there is no moral

687
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:08,169
absolute and objective morality, everything's subjective,

688
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:11,450
then everything that they do is self glorifying.

689
00:25:11,589 --> 00:25:13,909
That's true. That's why Hitler that why Hitler

690
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:16,150
did this. That's why Stalin did this. This

691
00:25:16,150 --> 00:25:18,545
is Satan Satan's plan last hundred years and

692
00:25:18,545 --> 00:25:20,224
here we are. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you go

693
00:25:20,224 --> 00:25:21,744
back and and again, I you know, and

694
00:25:21,744 --> 00:25:24,305
I say this quite often years ago, somebody

695
00:25:24,305 --> 00:25:26,565
pointed out to me, Christianity is the one

696
00:25:26,945 --> 00:25:29,230
faith that is truly selfless. They're, You know,

697
00:25:29,230 --> 00:25:30,990
we talked about the rewards and the crowns

698
00:25:30,990 --> 00:25:32,769
that you get, but they're ephemeral. They're

699
00:25:33,149 --> 00:25:34,609
not anything of substance

700
00:25:35,549 --> 00:25:39,230
like the actual reward, which has absolutely nothing

701
00:25:39,230 --> 00:25:40,210
to do with you.

702
00:25:40,509 --> 00:25:42,794
It's all about him, and it's the only

703
00:25:42,794 --> 00:25:45,514
religion on the planet. Everything else everything else

704
00:25:45,514 --> 00:25:48,075
is all about selfishness. Everything else. I oh,

705
00:25:48,075 --> 00:25:50,474
a Buddhist. Oh, they they one of the

706
00:25:50,474 --> 00:25:52,494
nine tenets of Buddhism is is selflessness.

707
00:25:53,034 --> 00:25:54,554
Except at the end of the day, they're

708
00:25:54,554 --> 00:25:56,414
being selfless so that they can die.

709
00:25:56,730 --> 00:25:58,970
Right. They can stop being reason for that.

710
00:25:58,970 --> 00:26:01,450
Yeah. So they can stop being reincarnated. That's

711
00:26:01,450 --> 00:26:01,950
subjective.

712
00:26:02,250 --> 00:26:04,809
It's selfishness. Yeah. Why do we be why

713
00:26:04,809 --> 00:26:07,450
are we Christians? Because it's truth. Mhmm. I

714
00:26:07,450 --> 00:26:09,690
get I don't get anything out of being

715
00:26:09,690 --> 00:26:10,349
a Christian.

716
00:26:11,289 --> 00:26:13,794
Yeah. Something about it's Christ who did something

717
00:26:13,794 --> 00:26:16,275
that gives me something for following him, but

718
00:26:16,275 --> 00:26:17,095
there's no

719
00:26:17,714 --> 00:26:19,954
it's not about me. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's

720
00:26:19,954 --> 00:26:21,974
not about I wanna be self selfless

721
00:26:22,674 --> 00:26:24,674
because of him. Right. Not the other way

722
00:26:24,674 --> 00:26:26,900
around. Yeah. Yeah. That's not a work based

723
00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:29,140
salvation. And that's, you know, going back to

724
00:26:29,140 --> 00:26:31,380
to Mormonism and what we talked about last

725
00:26:31,380 --> 00:26:33,460
week. I mean, and and and what you

726
00:26:33,460 --> 00:26:35,220
talked about on your on your TikTok,

727
00:26:35,619 --> 00:26:37,700
you know, that's that's what that whole religion

728
00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:39,299
is built around, you know, is how good

729
00:26:39,299 --> 00:26:40,579
can I be? And I and I said

730
00:26:40,579 --> 00:26:42,625
it last Wednesday. They're some of the best

731
00:26:42,625 --> 00:26:44,144
people that you'll ever meet in your life,

732
00:26:44,144 --> 00:26:45,345
and I've been around them, and they are

733
00:26:45,424 --> 00:26:47,045
and they're they're morally,

734
00:26:48,224 --> 00:26:50,625
good people and and and wanna serve and

735
00:26:50,625 --> 00:26:52,785
wanna help. And my goodness, they do a

736
00:26:52,785 --> 00:26:55,859
better job at getting the the the lie

737
00:26:55,859 --> 00:26:58,180
out that is Mormonism than than we do

738
00:26:58,180 --> 00:27:00,759
getting the truth out. Yeah. And because

739
00:27:01,779 --> 00:27:03,079
they're working their way,

740
00:27:03,460 --> 00:27:05,220
they or they believe that they are. Well,

741
00:27:05,220 --> 00:27:06,579
yeah. If you if you thought that the

742
00:27:06,579 --> 00:27:08,500
only way you're gonna get get your reward

743
00:27:08,500 --> 00:27:09,940
in the end is by doing all of

744
00:27:09,940 --> 00:27:12,234
these things, You're gonna do them. Yeah. You're

745
00:27:12,234 --> 00:27:13,355
gonna go out of your way to do

746
00:27:13,355 --> 00:27:15,434
them. Or give up. Or give up. I

747
00:27:15,434 --> 00:27:17,115
mean, it it it's gonna be one extreme

748
00:27:17,115 --> 00:27:19,595
or the other. You're either gonna absolutely become

749
00:27:19,595 --> 00:27:20,095
obsessed

750
00:27:20,634 --> 00:27:22,714
with never making a mistake Yeah. Or you're

751
00:27:22,714 --> 00:27:25,295
gonna go, I can't not make a mistake.

752
00:27:25,434 --> 00:27:26,414
So let's just

753
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:30,390
ask. Yeah. Yeah. And that that's awful. That

754
00:27:30,390 --> 00:27:32,230
that's a horrible way to live. But man,

755
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:34,630
they do a good job of evangelizing, man.

756
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:36,950
They do. I was mentioned on a one

757
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:39,029
episode here in Ongo where I was in

758
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:41,585
the Lowe's parking lot after dark loading the

759
00:27:41,585 --> 00:27:43,365
back of my truck up with some stuff.

760
00:27:43,424 --> 00:27:44,164
And two,

761
00:27:44,544 --> 00:27:46,144
I couldn't have been more than 18, 19

762
00:27:46,144 --> 00:27:47,744
year old girls came up to me wearing

763
00:27:47,744 --> 00:27:50,065
the name tags. Yeah. Yeah. Started talking to

764
00:27:50,065 --> 00:27:50,964
me about Jesus.

765
00:27:51,504 --> 00:27:53,825
That's kinda awesome in a way. I have

766
00:27:53,825 --> 00:27:56,420
a experience with that. I was a teenager

767
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,480
at the time. I guess, I was, like,

768
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,160
two years after I announced my calling to

769
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,059
preach, and,

770
00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:03,200
I guess, there was two Mormons knocking on

771
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,720
the door. And I was like, who is

772
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,000
that? I opened the door, and I saw

773
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:06,819
those two Mormons.

774
00:28:07,264 --> 00:28:09,365
And, of course, we had a great conversation

775
00:28:09,904 --> 00:28:10,304
and,

776
00:28:10,784 --> 00:28:12,144
they said they were they were to come

777
00:28:12,144 --> 00:28:13,184
back and they gave me a Book of

778
00:28:13,184 --> 00:28:15,505
Mormon. So I was like, okay. Let's actually

779
00:28:15,505 --> 00:28:17,585
study this and see if it's true. Yeah.

780
00:28:17,585 --> 00:28:19,664
And then I came up with questions that

781
00:28:19,664 --> 00:28:21,345
I written down on a notepad that I

782
00:28:21,345 --> 00:28:22,325
had questions about

783
00:28:22,740 --> 00:28:24,980
and it's just stuff that I've relayed over

784
00:28:24,980 --> 00:28:26,200
the years of me studying.

785
00:28:26,579 --> 00:28:28,980
And whenever I would ask these questions, like,

786
00:28:28,980 --> 00:28:31,559
are there any archaeological or, I guess, archaeological

787
00:28:31,779 --> 00:28:32,279
evidences

788
00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:35,940
and, you know, why is, Mormonism a work

789
00:28:35,940 --> 00:28:37,964
based religion, they could not answer

790
00:28:38,924 --> 00:28:39,424
any

791
00:28:39,724 --> 00:28:40,204
of them. Show me the goal. And and

792
00:28:40,204 --> 00:28:41,698
it's not just and I'm not saying that

793
00:28:41,698 --> 00:28:43,825
to brag or anything. It's just, like, whenever

794
00:28:43,884 --> 00:28:46,605
someone goes up to you and is like,

795
00:28:46,605 --> 00:28:48,464
hey. I have a genuine question.

796
00:28:48,845 --> 00:28:51,085
And whenever they don't have the answer or

797
00:28:51,085 --> 00:28:52,304
haven't studied up,

798
00:28:52,819 --> 00:28:55,460
then that starts planting that seed a little

799
00:28:55,460 --> 00:28:57,079
bit. And it shows that that

800
00:28:57,380 --> 00:29:00,099
their belief is just, you know, oh, read

801
00:29:00,099 --> 00:29:00,920
the work tract.

802
00:29:01,380 --> 00:29:02,440
And it shows

803
00:29:02,819 --> 00:29:05,859
how much they've I guess, how much truth

804
00:29:05,859 --> 00:29:07,454
they have in their heart. Yeah. Yeah.

805
00:29:08,335 --> 00:29:10,115
And and it's, you know, and it's

806
00:29:10,575 --> 00:29:13,214
with every false religion, there is there is

807
00:29:13,214 --> 00:29:15,615
there is money truth in there. There's there's

808
00:29:15,615 --> 00:29:17,774
these little bits of truth and I'm ever

809
00:29:17,855 --> 00:29:18,974
I don't know if I've read this on

810
00:29:18,974 --> 00:29:20,414
here before, but I've got a Book of

811
00:29:20,414 --> 00:29:20,914
Mormon

812
00:29:21,259 --> 00:29:23,339
when before we left and went to,

813
00:29:24,299 --> 00:29:25,440
to Kemmerer, Wyoming.

814
00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:27,679
And we went went went through several

815
00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:30,639
several weeks of study in the Mormon religion

816
00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:32,960
and and different things that they believe.

817
00:29:33,274 --> 00:29:35,034
But one of the verses and you're on

818
00:29:35,034 --> 00:29:36,714
saying this is gonna be a very familiar

819
00:29:36,714 --> 00:29:39,194
verse to you, out out of out of

820
00:29:39,194 --> 00:29:40,014
our bible.

821
00:29:40,634 --> 00:29:42,494
It it's in second Nephi

822
00:29:42,875 --> 00:29:44,875
twenty five twenty three. This is in the

823
00:29:44,875 --> 00:29:48,174
Mormon bible, second Nephi twenty five twenty three.

824
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,559
And this is what it says, for we

825
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:53,679
labor diligently to write, to persuade our children

826
00:29:53,679 --> 00:29:56,240
and also our brethren, to believe in Christ

827
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,480
and to be reconciled with God. Now listen

828
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,039
to this. For we know that it is

829
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,460
by grace that we are saved.

830
00:30:04,235 --> 00:30:05,775
That's not the end of it though.

831
00:30:06,154 --> 00:30:08,975
After all we can do.

832
00:30:09,994 --> 00:30:10,494
Yep.

833
00:30:11,835 --> 00:30:13,835
That comes straight out of the Mormon Bible.

834
00:30:13,835 --> 00:30:15,355
And that's one of the questions that I

835
00:30:15,355 --> 00:30:17,515
actually asked them. And that and that second

836
00:30:17,515 --> 00:30:20,329
Nephi verse, I was like, so in the

837
00:30:20,329 --> 00:30:22,329
bible, it talks about us being saved by

838
00:30:22,329 --> 00:30:24,329
grace through faith. Yeah. And I was like,

839
00:30:24,329 --> 00:30:26,569
how do you explain that? And their ex

840
00:30:26,730 --> 00:30:28,169
or I guess what they said is you

841
00:30:28,169 --> 00:30:29,769
have to have both of them together. Yeah.

842
00:30:29,769 --> 00:30:31,130
And I was like, okay. Well, let me

843
00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:31,950
give you illustration.

844
00:30:32,375 --> 00:30:34,695
It's, let's say if I decided to get

845
00:30:34,695 --> 00:30:36,075
a shovel and dig outside

846
00:30:36,535 --> 00:30:39,015
and I started firming the ground, I started

847
00:30:39,015 --> 00:30:41,414
to, you know, water the ground every single

848
00:30:41,414 --> 00:30:41,914
day,

849
00:30:43,095 --> 00:30:45,179
what is good gain? Like, what what am

850
00:30:45,179 --> 00:30:46,480
I gonna gain from that?

851
00:30:46,859 --> 00:30:48,140
And if I have works

852
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:49,200
but

853
00:30:49,740 --> 00:30:52,880
that seed is the reason why I'm fertilizing

854
00:30:53,019 --> 00:30:54,319
the ground and,

855
00:30:54,859 --> 00:30:56,319
watering the ground.

856
00:30:56,619 --> 00:30:58,265
That seed is the reason why I have

857
00:30:58,265 --> 00:30:59,865
that works. Yeah. So both of them can't

858
00:30:59,865 --> 00:31:02,744
be truth. Right? Right. Yeah. So it's it's

859
00:31:02,904 --> 00:31:05,464
the works is not the rees that it's

860
00:31:05,464 --> 00:31:07,085
not the reason for your faith.

861
00:31:07,464 --> 00:31:09,384
It's the fruit of your faith. Right. Yeah.

862
00:31:09,384 --> 00:31:11,940
Yeah. It comes second. It comes second. Yeah.

863
00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:13,940
So that and that's something I guess and

864
00:31:13,940 --> 00:31:15,380
whenever I said that, it kinda opened their

865
00:31:15,380 --> 00:31:17,220
eyes a little bit. Yeah. And one of

866
00:31:17,220 --> 00:31:19,299
them actually got red faced and was like,

867
00:31:19,299 --> 00:31:20,680
oh, gosh. Like,

868
00:31:21,140 --> 00:31:23,444
what have I been taught my whole life?

869
00:31:23,605 --> 00:31:25,365
Yeah. You know? And Yeah. I guess that

870
00:31:25,365 --> 00:31:27,125
planted the seed for them, and you could

871
00:31:27,125 --> 00:31:29,125
see that. And there was conviction there and,

872
00:31:29,125 --> 00:31:31,044
you know, the Lord used me there at

873
00:31:31,044 --> 00:31:33,125
that point and even as a teenager. You

874
00:31:33,125 --> 00:31:34,024
know? And,

875
00:31:34,404 --> 00:31:36,690
you know, the I don't know where they're

876
00:31:36,690 --> 00:31:38,309
at, but one of them was from Nevada,

877
00:31:38,369 --> 00:31:40,049
I I guess, and the other one was

878
00:31:40,049 --> 00:31:42,289
from Arizona, but only the lord knows where

879
00:31:42,289 --> 00:31:44,450
they're at today. And, hopefully, they that seed

880
00:31:44,450 --> 00:31:47,649
was able to grow. Yeah. Yeah. Last week,

881
00:31:47,649 --> 00:31:49,730
we talked about two truths. And and the

882
00:31:49,730 --> 00:31:51,375
two truths that we were talking about, I

883
00:31:51,375 --> 00:31:52,974
think it was last week. Week or I

884
00:31:52,974 --> 00:31:54,335
think. Or it was a week before. Two

885
00:31:54,335 --> 00:31:56,015
weeks ago. So we were talking about two

886
00:31:56,015 --> 00:31:57,375
truths. We were talking about,

887
00:31:57,934 --> 00:31:59,154
we were talking about

888
00:32:00,575 --> 00:32:02,434
basically what God does. Right?

889
00:32:02,894 --> 00:32:05,295
His his power in us and then our

890
00:32:05,295 --> 00:32:06,210
choice. Right?

891
00:32:06,690 --> 00:32:08,769
And and that there are two truths that

892
00:32:08,769 --> 00:32:09,269
come

893
00:32:09,649 --> 00:32:11,569
side by side, and you could look like,

894
00:32:11,569 --> 00:32:13,990
God, you know, God, yes, he chooses us,

895
00:32:14,609 --> 00:32:16,529
but do we have to choose him? Yes.

896
00:32:16,529 --> 00:32:18,450
We choose him. We choose to accept what

897
00:32:18,450 --> 00:32:20,210
he's done for us. And so those are

898
00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:21,990
two truths that come side by side.

899
00:32:23,225 --> 00:32:25,305
These two truths that you're talking about, they

900
00:32:25,305 --> 00:32:27,144
are two truths, but they're not two truths

901
00:32:27,144 --> 00:32:29,005
side by side. Right? Faith

902
00:32:29,384 --> 00:32:32,585
and works comes after faith. Right? Yeah. Yeah.

903
00:32:32,585 --> 00:32:34,585
And and and what what's more what the

904
00:32:34,585 --> 00:32:37,500
Mormons have mixed up is, like, I'm gonna

905
00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:38,480
I'm gonna work

906
00:32:38,859 --> 00:32:40,859
and then I'll have my faith, right, and

907
00:32:40,859 --> 00:32:42,720
and then that that will get me there.

908
00:32:43,340 --> 00:32:45,420
And so and so those two truths are

909
00:32:45,420 --> 00:32:48,059
not they're they're consecutive. They're one after the

910
00:32:48,059 --> 00:32:49,980
other, but they don't line up side by

911
00:32:49,980 --> 00:32:52,494
side. It's it's human reasoning. Right? We we

912
00:32:52,494 --> 00:32:53,934
think that we need to do something to

913
00:32:53,934 --> 00:32:55,535
contribute to this thing. And it's it's like

914
00:32:55,615 --> 00:32:57,295
and and they're kind of twisting James a

915
00:32:57,295 --> 00:32:59,134
little bit. Right? Yeah. You go show show

916
00:32:59,134 --> 00:33:00,654
me your faith, then I'll show you mine

917
00:33:00,654 --> 00:33:02,494
by my works. Right. Yeah. Right? But he's

918
00:33:02,494 --> 00:33:04,829
not he's not contradicting Paul in any way.

919
00:33:04,829 --> 00:33:06,750
No. Right? That says we're saved by by

920
00:33:06,750 --> 00:33:08,349
grace and not by our works. That's right.

921
00:33:08,349 --> 00:33:09,950
Well, but when you actually look at their

922
00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:10,450
religion,

923
00:33:10,990 --> 00:33:13,710
their belief is that one day they might

924
00:33:13,710 --> 00:33:14,529
be exalted

925
00:33:14,829 --> 00:33:18,029
Yeah. And be God. Right. Yeah. And that

926
00:33:18,029 --> 00:33:20,125
and that's and that's the thing whenever you

927
00:33:20,125 --> 00:33:22,445
look at it Yeah. Is what's the end

928
00:33:22,445 --> 00:33:25,244
goal? Yeah. Is it to be, I guess,

929
00:33:25,244 --> 00:33:27,565
under Christ or be under the father, which

930
00:33:27,565 --> 00:33:29,484
even then they believe that the son is

931
00:33:29,484 --> 00:33:31,529
creation. Yeah. But Yeah. Like,

932
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:35,430
even then Yeah. Like, it's what's the end

933
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:37,910
goal? Is it to be under Christ and

934
00:33:37,910 --> 00:33:39,509
be under the father and the holy spirit

935
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:41,029
or is it to be my own God?

936
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:43,109
Yeah. Yeah. Do they believe that they're they're

937
00:33:43,109 --> 00:33:45,349
gonna, like, rule different planets? Absolutely. That's what

938
00:33:45,349 --> 00:33:46,894
they believe. Yeah. Yes. And that they could

939
00:33:46,894 --> 00:33:49,014
have children. Yeah. They could have actually families.

940
00:33:49,294 --> 00:33:52,335
Spirit babies. Yeah. And they also believe that

941
00:33:52,335 --> 00:33:54,734
Jesus is God's son, but they also believe

942
00:33:54,734 --> 00:33:57,375
Lucifer that Lucifer is God's son. Yeah. You

943
00:33:57,375 --> 00:34:00,015
know? That's scary. So Twisted. And not only

944
00:34:00,015 --> 00:34:01,910
that, but they, I guess, use the same

945
00:34:01,910 --> 00:34:04,170
argument as Muslims whenever they talk about,

946
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:07,190
I guess the father can't have a have

947
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:09,190
a, I guess, a heavenly son if there

948
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:11,829
isn't a heavenly mother. Yeah. And and that

949
00:34:11,989 --> 00:34:12,914
I mean, that's just

950
00:34:14,035 --> 00:34:16,594
a a dilution that Exactly. Take place in

951
00:34:16,594 --> 00:34:18,675
heaven. Yeah. Exactly. But, no, we have a

952
00:34:18,675 --> 00:34:19,735
God who creates.

953
00:34:20,035 --> 00:34:22,114
Amen. He creates. You know, the gospels are

954
00:34:22,114 --> 00:34:24,835
really careful to to never call Mary Jesus'

955
00:34:24,835 --> 00:34:27,039
mother. That's right. You notice that? Yeah. Yeah.

956
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:28,639
Even when Jesus is on the cross, he

957
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,420
introduces to her to John as

958
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,400
her mother. Yeah. Yeah. But he always calls

959
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,539
her woman. Yeah.

960
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,820
Yeah. That's true. That's true.

961
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,119
And still, we got the Catholics and other

962
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:41,844
people say mother Mary Mary, mother of God

963
00:34:41,844 --> 00:34:44,085
kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. And trust that

964
00:34:44,085 --> 00:34:46,324
they can pray to her. Right? Yeah. I

965
00:34:46,324 --> 00:34:48,005
I talked to a Catholic friend not long

966
00:34:48,005 --> 00:34:49,444
ago, and he said, well, it's not that

967
00:34:49,444 --> 00:34:50,664
we believe that Mary

968
00:34:51,684 --> 00:34:53,300
it's not that we believe that Mary has

969
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:55,460
a special power, but we believe that Mary

970
00:34:55,460 --> 00:34:56,820
is like one of the saints that you

971
00:34:56,820 --> 00:34:59,219
can pray to her and, like because they

972
00:34:59,219 --> 00:35:01,300
believe that these saints that have went on

973
00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:02,980
to to be with the lord, that they

974
00:35:02,980 --> 00:35:04,820
can actually pray to them and that they

975
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:06,660
he will be their they'll be their interceder,

976
00:35:07,140 --> 00:35:08,735
like they do the pope.

977
00:35:10,075 --> 00:35:11,994
But but Christ in the book of Hebrews

978
00:35:11,994 --> 00:35:14,394
explains very well that that Christ is our

979
00:35:14,394 --> 00:35:16,155
interceder. He is our high priest, and there

980
00:35:16,155 --> 00:35:17,835
is no other high priest. And Yeah. And

981
00:35:17,835 --> 00:35:19,755
we don't go through somebody else. That doesn't

982
00:35:19,755 --> 00:35:21,275
mean you can't pray for somebody. I mean,

983
00:35:21,275 --> 00:35:22,449
I could pray for you and you can't

984
00:35:22,449 --> 00:35:24,210
pray for me, but we're all praying to

985
00:35:24,210 --> 00:35:26,530
the same God and it's it's it's he

986
00:35:26,530 --> 00:35:27,269
who decides,

987
00:35:28,050 --> 00:35:29,730
to answer your prayer. Yeah. That's why he

988
00:35:29,730 --> 00:35:31,010
said I'm I'm the way, the truth, and

989
00:35:31,010 --> 00:35:32,369
the life. No one comes to the father

990
00:35:32,369 --> 00:35:34,050
but by me. It's but you gotta go

991
00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:35,489
to God to get to God. That's right.

992
00:35:35,489 --> 00:35:37,625
Amen. Right. There's no man that's gonna do

993
00:35:37,625 --> 00:35:40,684
it for you. No. Absolutely not. Absolutely not.

994
00:35:41,144 --> 00:35:43,144
So so what what have you have you

995
00:35:43,144 --> 00:35:44,984
done one this week already? I have not

996
00:35:44,984 --> 00:35:46,744
yet. Do you know what you're gonna do

997
00:35:46,744 --> 00:35:47,244
though?

998
00:35:47,704 --> 00:35:49,085
So I have,

999
00:35:49,545 --> 00:35:50,764
I've done Buddhism.

1000
00:35:51,110 --> 00:35:52,010
I've done Mormonism.

1001
00:35:52,869 --> 00:35:55,769
I'm thinking about doing Muslim next. Yeah. Uh-oh.

1002
00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:56,890
Because that's

1003
00:35:57,269 --> 00:36:00,230
the, I guess, the two religions that's going

1004
00:36:00,230 --> 00:36:01,829
head to head right now. Yeah.

1005
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:04,890
And, I mean, there's a and I've been,

1006
00:36:04,949 --> 00:36:05,530
I guess,

1007
00:36:06,045 --> 00:36:08,684
I guess, Muslim and Mormons are usually my

1008
00:36:08,684 --> 00:36:09,184
two

1009
00:36:09,565 --> 00:36:10,944
topics that I'd really,

1010
00:36:11,484 --> 00:36:13,885
I guess, talk about more as far as

1011
00:36:13,885 --> 00:36:14,385
comparison.

1012
00:36:14,764 --> 00:36:17,164
Yeah. I'm more familiar just because the more

1013
00:36:17,324 --> 00:36:17,824
Mormonism,

1014
00:36:18,204 --> 00:36:20,130
I had a personal experience, but then,

1015
00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:22,690
Muslim is just everything that's going on in

1016
00:36:22,690 --> 00:36:23,250
the world,

1017
00:36:23,569 --> 00:36:24,069
with,

1018
00:36:24,369 --> 00:36:25,269
Christian persecution

1019
00:36:25,650 --> 00:36:27,989
in The Middle East and all that,

1020
00:36:28,690 --> 00:36:30,230
which is a very dangerous

1021
00:36:30,849 --> 00:36:32,144
topic to talk about.

1022
00:36:32,465 --> 00:36:34,224
It is and they are not a peace

1023
00:36:34,224 --> 00:36:35,045
loving people.

1024
00:36:35,985 --> 00:36:38,704
Not by the book anyway. No. No. No.

1025
00:36:38,704 --> 00:36:41,824
Well, they push for the removal of all

1026
00:36:41,824 --> 00:36:44,065
the other faiths and anyone that disagrees with

1027
00:36:44,065 --> 00:36:47,339
them. They push for removing what they consider

1028
00:36:47,339 --> 00:36:50,960
sin by forcible violent means instead of allowing

1029
00:36:51,019 --> 00:36:53,900
God to handle it. And it's it is

1030
00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:55,119
it is very,

1031
00:36:56,219 --> 00:36:58,139
the opposite of what a lot of people

1032
00:36:58,139 --> 00:37:00,320
are being pushed to believe it is today.

1033
00:37:01,204 --> 00:37:04,324
You bring up Islam. And so, I think

1034
00:37:04,324 --> 00:37:05,445
this is a good one to throw out.

1035
00:37:05,445 --> 00:37:06,885
I want to see how you guys would

1036
00:37:06,885 --> 00:37:08,025
respond to this one.

1037
00:37:08,565 --> 00:37:10,324
And I think I've mentioned it before, but

1038
00:37:10,324 --> 00:37:11,545
one of the

1039
00:37:11,925 --> 00:37:13,065
more interesting

1040
00:37:14,210 --> 00:37:16,289
challenges I've heard somebody make and it was

1041
00:37:16,289 --> 00:37:18,630
a Muslim speaker and he was talking to,

1042
00:37:19,569 --> 00:37:20,949
a guy who was a Christian.

1043
00:37:21,250 --> 00:37:23,730
Mhmm. And he said, Well, you know, I

1044
00:37:23,730 --> 00:37:26,210
just don't understand why you would reject Islam.

1045
00:37:26,210 --> 00:37:28,414
He's like, You believe in the old testament.

1046
00:37:28,414 --> 00:37:29,855
Right? And the guy said, well, yeah. Yeah.

1047
00:37:29,855 --> 00:37:31,375
I believe in the old testament. He said,

1048
00:37:31,375 --> 00:37:32,894
yeah. He said, so do we. So do

1049
00:37:32,894 --> 00:37:34,414
we. You know, just like the Jews, y'all

1050
00:37:34,414 --> 00:37:36,494
y'all all agree on the old testament. You

1051
00:37:36,494 --> 00:37:37,855
believe in it, and you believe in the

1052
00:37:37,855 --> 00:37:39,695
prophets. He said, yeah. Yeah. And he said,

1053
00:37:39,695 --> 00:37:41,190
and and and you accept,

1054
00:37:42,130 --> 00:37:42,630
Jesus.

1055
00:37:43,010 --> 00:37:44,690
And and that that he was a prophet.

1056
00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:46,530
And the guy said, yeah. Yeah. And he

1057
00:37:46,530 --> 00:37:48,610
goes, and so you we do too. We

1058
00:37:48,610 --> 00:37:50,130
do too. See, the only thing we do

1059
00:37:50,130 --> 00:37:52,769
is we just add Muhammad as a prophet.

1060
00:37:52,769 --> 00:37:53,670
We don't understand

1061
00:37:54,465 --> 00:37:56,385
why you we we accept all the prophets.

1062
00:37:56,385 --> 00:37:58,545
Y'all are just leaving one out. And that

1063
00:37:58,545 --> 00:38:01,585
was his argument to him, and that Christian

1064
00:38:01,585 --> 00:38:03,184
did not have an answer for him. Mhmm.

1065
00:38:03,184 --> 00:38:05,585
And I actually caught and I always I

1066
00:38:05,585 --> 00:38:07,710
I love this example because I catch,

1067
00:38:08,429 --> 00:38:10,909
two to three things in there that are

1068
00:38:10,909 --> 00:38:12,769
problematic with what the guy's saying.

1069
00:38:13,070 --> 00:38:14,429
But I'm kinda curious. How would you respond

1070
00:38:14,429 --> 00:38:16,589
to that? Well, let's I mean, Tanner. I

1071
00:38:16,589 --> 00:38:17,089
mean,

1072
00:38:17,550 --> 00:38:19,550
a lot of things to unpack there. But

1073
00:38:19,550 --> 00:38:20,690
what I will say

1074
00:38:21,184 --> 00:38:23,425
is first, we have to go to what

1075
00:38:23,425 --> 00:38:25,744
they call the Torah, which is the, I

1076
00:38:25,744 --> 00:38:27,264
guess, the first five books of the of

1077
00:38:27,264 --> 00:38:29,184
the bible, what we call it, in the

1078
00:38:29,184 --> 00:38:29,844
Old Testament,

1079
00:38:30,304 --> 00:38:32,784
and see what the prophets actually said, what

1080
00:38:32,784 --> 00:38:35,219
they believed. Because what they believe is, of

1081
00:38:35,219 --> 00:38:35,619
course,

1082
00:38:36,019 --> 00:38:37,320
the prophets from before.

1083
00:38:37,940 --> 00:38:41,059
Muhammad basically is, from that same lineage, from

1084
00:38:41,059 --> 00:38:43,780
the same God. So in order for that

1085
00:38:43,780 --> 00:38:44,599
to be true,

1086
00:38:44,980 --> 00:38:46,980
the characteristics of God have to be the

1087
00:38:46,980 --> 00:38:50,255
same. So what Mohammed said is God, the

1088
00:38:50,255 --> 00:38:52,414
same characteristics that's the characteristics have to follow

1089
00:38:52,414 --> 00:38:54,815
with the previous in order for Mohammed's God

1090
00:38:54,815 --> 00:38:57,694
to be true. Yeah. Well, whenever we read,

1091
00:38:57,694 --> 00:38:58,194
whenever,

1092
00:38:59,375 --> 00:39:01,135
even in the old and new testament, it

1093
00:39:01,135 --> 00:39:03,420
refers God as father. Mhmm.

1094
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,039
And the Mormon in the Mormon religion, just

1095
00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:07,659
like what I said before about Mormons,

1096
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:10,199
they do not believe that God can be

1097
00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:11,099
called father.

1098
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:12,300
Yeah.

1099
00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:13,239
So in

1100
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:14,860
we can conclude

1101
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:15,900
that

1102
00:39:16,505 --> 00:39:18,505
Muslims do not follow the same God as

1103
00:39:18,505 --> 00:39:20,045
the as the older prophets

1104
00:39:20,744 --> 00:39:22,925
and Jesus because Jesus calls

1105
00:39:23,625 --> 00:39:26,505
the father the father. Yeah. And even whenever,

1106
00:39:26,824 --> 00:39:29,785
I heard one Muslim say, well, in the

1107
00:39:29,785 --> 00:39:33,489
Garden Of Gethsemane, he prays like Muslims. He

1108
00:39:33,489 --> 00:39:35,170
gets down on his knees and puts his

1109
00:39:35,170 --> 00:39:37,269
face towards the ground and prays like,

1110
00:39:37,969 --> 00:39:38,449
like,

1111
00:39:38,929 --> 00:39:41,010
a Muslim or Islamic, and they try to

1112
00:39:41,010 --> 00:39:42,309
use the Bible against it.

1113
00:39:42,690 --> 00:39:45,190
Well, when you read, it says, my father.

1114
00:39:45,585 --> 00:39:49,364
So Abba. Yes. Abba, father. Yeah. Yeah. So

1115
00:39:49,744 --> 00:39:51,925
if there is a characteristic

1116
00:39:52,625 --> 00:39:55,125
that is against the Islamic view,

1117
00:39:55,505 --> 00:39:56,324
then either

1118
00:39:56,945 --> 00:39:58,465
one of them is wrong or both of

1119
00:39:58,465 --> 00:40:00,724
them are wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1120
00:40:01,089 --> 00:40:03,109
And and and going back to the whole

1121
00:40:03,250 --> 00:40:04,530
to the whole thing and the way he

1122
00:40:04,530 --> 00:40:05,510
brought up Jesus,

1123
00:40:06,530 --> 00:40:09,329
that that's that's problematic in itself. Right? I

1124
00:40:09,329 --> 00:40:10,309
mean, that Jesus

1125
00:40:10,609 --> 00:40:12,609
oh, sure. Yes. He's a great prophet. Is

1126
00:40:12,609 --> 00:40:14,210
he a good man? Yeah. Well, yes. He

1127
00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:15,569
was a good man. Is was he a

1128
00:40:15,569 --> 00:40:18,014
rabbi? Yes. He's a rabbi. So you look

1129
00:40:18,014 --> 00:40:19,454
back at all these things and you and

1130
00:40:19,454 --> 00:40:21,135
you and you can say he's this, he's

1131
00:40:21,135 --> 00:40:23,295
this, he's this, but it comes down to

1132
00:40:23,295 --> 00:40:25,534
who he really is. Right? And I I

1133
00:40:25,534 --> 00:40:26,034
had

1134
00:40:26,335 --> 00:40:27,775
now we'll we'll talk about the hell as

1135
00:40:27,775 --> 00:40:29,639
witness for just a minute. And I think

1136
00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:31,239
I told this on here before, but I

1137
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:32,940
think they have this exact same argument.

1138
00:40:33,799 --> 00:40:35,239
We we had yeah. We had a little

1139
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,019
discussion about it. I I was,

1140
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,639
working still working in natural gas company and

1141
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:40,619
and went by this,

1142
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:41,500
the

1143
00:40:42,315 --> 00:40:44,155
the Jehovah's Witness Church there in Fort Payne,

1144
00:40:44,155 --> 00:40:44,655
and,

1145
00:40:45,355 --> 00:40:47,355
and they were having some work done, and

1146
00:40:47,355 --> 00:40:49,355
I'd walked inside to check some things in

1147
00:40:49,355 --> 00:40:51,135
there to make sure everything was right.

1148
00:40:51,594 --> 00:40:53,914
And, so the guy just started showing us

1149
00:40:53,914 --> 00:40:55,880
around. Like, you know, this is this is

1150
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,559
where they they don't really have a pastor

1151
00:40:57,559 --> 00:40:59,239
or preacher. They have elders kinda like they

1152
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,160
do in the Mormon church, and this guy

1153
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,160
was an elder there. And, he said, hey.

1154
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,760
He said, let me show you our library.

1155
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,840
And I had never I never mentioned that

1156
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,724
I was a preacher.

1157
00:41:08,525 --> 00:41:10,684
And, so we went back there, and we

1158
00:41:10,684 --> 00:41:11,985
started looking in his library.

1159
00:41:12,445 --> 00:41:15,724
And and he's he's there's this book up

1160
00:41:15,724 --> 00:41:18,224
there on the shelf, actually, that says

1161
00:41:18,605 --> 00:41:20,224
Jesus, a great man.

1162
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:22,710
And so he pulled it off the shelf,

1163
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:23,910
you know, and I because or I said,

1164
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:25,510
hey. What about that that one right there?

1165
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:26,869
So he pulls it off the shelf and

1166
00:41:26,869 --> 00:41:29,910
it's like, so what do you believe about

1167
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:31,829
Jesus? He said, well, what do you mean?

1168
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:33,534
And I said, well, I said, do you

1169
00:41:33,534 --> 00:41:35,215
believe he's a great man? He said, yes.

1170
00:41:35,215 --> 00:41:36,655
Do you believe he's a prophet? Yes. Do

1171
00:41:36,655 --> 00:41:38,335
you believe he's a rabbi? Yes. Do you

1172
00:41:38,335 --> 00:41:41,054
believe he's God's son? He goes, yes. Yes.

1173
00:41:41,054 --> 00:41:41,715
We believe

1174
00:41:42,094 --> 00:41:44,815
just like Christians believe. And I said, okay.

1175
00:41:44,815 --> 00:41:46,815
I said, do you believe he was God

1176
00:41:46,815 --> 00:41:47,875
in human flesh?

1177
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:49,849
Boom.

1178
00:41:51,269 --> 00:41:54,069
There's where we stopped we stopped lining up

1179
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:55,769
together. Right? And Emmanuel.

1180
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:58,630
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he's God among us.

1181
00:41:58,630 --> 00:42:01,514
Right? And and and you have to believe

1182
00:42:01,514 --> 00:42:03,275
in the truth of who Jesus is and

1183
00:42:03,275 --> 00:42:04,635
the truth of what the word of God

1184
00:42:04,635 --> 00:42:07,114
tells us he is. Right? That that he

1185
00:42:07,114 --> 00:42:09,275
he was he was born of a virgin,

1186
00:42:09,275 --> 00:42:11,835
but listen, it it was God himself who

1187
00:42:11,835 --> 00:42:12,335
decided,

1188
00:42:12,809 --> 00:42:15,530
I will become flesh and flesh dwelt among

1189
00:42:15,530 --> 00:42:17,449
us. That's the prob that's what they leave

1190
00:42:17,449 --> 00:42:19,130
out of John one one, right, or John

1191
00:42:19,210 --> 00:42:21,550
the the that first chapter of John. Mhmm.

1192
00:42:21,849 --> 00:42:22,590
They completely

1193
00:42:23,130 --> 00:42:24,730
x nay that out, and that's what I

1194
00:42:24,730 --> 00:42:26,090
brought up to him. I said, what about

1195
00:42:26,090 --> 00:42:28,155
this? And he said, no. He said, that's

1196
00:42:28,235 --> 00:42:30,554
that's not that's that wasn't in the original

1197
00:42:30,554 --> 00:42:31,534
writings. That's

1198
00:42:31,914 --> 00:42:33,454
okay. Yeah. It was.

1199
00:42:33,914 --> 00:42:35,614
I mean, whenever you look at,

1200
00:42:35,994 --> 00:42:37,275
John one one, which I pulled it up

1201
00:42:37,275 --> 00:42:39,114
because I knew exactly where you're going with

1202
00:42:39,114 --> 00:42:40,795
it, it says in the beginning was the

1203
00:42:40,795 --> 00:42:43,369
word, and the word was with God, and

1204
00:42:43,369 --> 00:42:45,690
the word was God, which everybody knows the

1205
00:42:45,690 --> 00:42:48,430
word is capital w, which means that's Jesus.

1206
00:42:48,489 --> 00:42:50,650
Yeah. But then it says the same was

1207
00:42:50,650 --> 00:42:53,710
in the beginning with God. So he's eternal.

1208
00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:56,204
Yes. So he's always been. And then verse

1209
00:42:56,204 --> 00:42:58,805
three, it says, all things were made Yeah.

1210
00:42:59,085 --> 00:43:02,465
By him. Yeah. And without him was nothing

1211
00:43:02,684 --> 00:43:05,805
any was not anything made that was made.

1212
00:43:05,805 --> 00:43:08,610
Yeah. So he had to exist outside of

1213
00:43:08,690 --> 00:43:10,930
space, time, and matter That's right. Just like

1214
00:43:10,930 --> 00:43:13,190
the father. That's right. And that goes against,

1215
00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:14,930
again, the Mormon, what we believe that Jesus

1216
00:43:14,930 --> 00:43:17,170
Christ is a creation, which is not. He's

1217
00:43:17,170 --> 00:43:19,650
eternal. That's right. That's right. Yeah. And that

1218
00:43:19,650 --> 00:43:21,250
goes back to the trinity. Right? He's the

1219
00:43:21,250 --> 00:43:23,010
second person in the trinity. You have to

1220
00:43:23,010 --> 00:43:25,235
know and believe and trust in that. And

1221
00:43:25,235 --> 00:43:27,235
it look. We may not be able to

1222
00:43:27,235 --> 00:43:29,155
explain it away with an apple, but but

1223
00:43:29,155 --> 00:43:29,894
we know

1224
00:43:30,355 --> 00:43:32,914
that the trinity, the father, the son, the

1225
00:43:32,914 --> 00:43:35,474
holy spirit are are three in one, one

1226
00:43:35,474 --> 00:43:38,409
in three. They they are they are all

1227
00:43:38,469 --> 00:43:41,269
attributes and part of the God, the one

1228
00:43:41,269 --> 00:43:43,109
and only God. You know, and you can't

1229
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:45,029
read John without co coming across this stuff

1230
00:43:45,029 --> 00:43:46,469
and having to deal with it, you know.

1231
00:43:46,469 --> 00:43:48,869
It it's everywhere. He's he's I am. Yeah.

1232
00:43:48,869 --> 00:43:51,795
They stoned for blasphemy. Right. They killed him

1233
00:43:51,795 --> 00:43:52,454
for blasphemy.

1234
00:43:52,835 --> 00:43:55,394
He's let us make man in our image

1235
00:43:55,394 --> 00:43:58,034
in Genesis, right? Let us go visit the

1236
00:43:58,034 --> 00:43:59,015
Tower Of Babylon.

1237
00:43:59,635 --> 00:44:01,554
It's all over the Bible and even in,

1238
00:44:01,875 --> 00:44:04,195
the angel's announcement to Mary in Luke one,

1239
00:44:04,195 --> 00:44:06,170
right? It's like, like, don't be afraid, Mary.

1240
00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:08,089
If you found favor with God, behold, you

1241
00:44:08,089 --> 00:44:09,609
will conceive in your womb and bear a

1242
00:44:09,609 --> 00:44:11,289
son. You shall call his name Jesus. He

1243
00:44:11,289 --> 00:44:12,809
will be great and will be called the

1244
00:44:12,809 --> 00:44:14,250
son of the most high, and the Lord

1245
00:44:14,250 --> 00:44:15,529
God will give to him the throne of

1246
00:44:15,529 --> 00:44:17,210
his father David. Yeah. Yep. And she said,

1247
00:44:17,210 --> 00:44:19,094
hell less peace since I'm a virgin. Yeah.

1248
00:44:19,094 --> 00:44:21,414
Right? Yeah. He he is the prophet that

1249
00:44:21,414 --> 00:44:23,815
Moses that said said was coming. Right? He

1250
00:44:23,815 --> 00:44:26,295
is the priest That's right. That the in

1251
00:44:26,295 --> 00:44:27,355
the order of Melchizedek,

1252
00:44:27,655 --> 00:44:29,275
not from Levi, but Melchizedek.

1253
00:44:29,574 --> 00:44:31,974
Yeah. Yeah. Prophet, priest, and king according to

1254
00:44:31,974 --> 00:44:33,494
the line of David. Amen. Well, I mean,

1255
00:44:33,494 --> 00:44:34,679
not just that. Also,

1256
00:44:35,059 --> 00:44:37,300
I mean, I've seen Muslims make this argument

1257
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:40,160
too of the son of man argument of,

1258
00:44:40,179 --> 00:44:42,500
you know, everybody was the son of man

1259
00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:44,739
in the bible days. Yeah. Well, the son

1260
00:44:44,739 --> 00:44:46,739
of man was not the son of man

1261
00:44:46,739 --> 00:44:48,440
that, I guess, the Islamic

1262
00:44:48,980 --> 00:44:51,434
view is pointing to. It was actually in

1263
00:44:51,434 --> 00:44:53,914
Daniel seven where he's talking about being on,

1264
00:44:54,154 --> 00:44:56,074
on top of the crap One like. One

1265
00:44:56,074 --> 00:44:57,914
like. Yeah. The son of man. Yeah. Yeah.

1266
00:44:57,914 --> 00:45:00,654
So Yeah. You have to get into context.

1267
00:45:00,875 --> 00:45:03,134
Yes. That's right. That's right. Context. That matters.

1268
00:45:03,449 --> 00:45:06,109
And there's an extra biblical book called

1269
00:45:06,650 --> 00:45:07,710
Enoch, Pseudorepigraphical

1270
00:45:09,609 --> 00:45:11,929
or whatever, however they say that. It's not

1271
00:45:11,929 --> 00:45:13,849
in the bible. It's not canon of scripture

1272
00:45:13,849 --> 00:45:15,289
but it was very well known in the

1273
00:45:15,289 --> 00:45:17,130
first century and it was quoted pretty extensively

1274
00:45:17,130 --> 00:45:18,510
by I think Is it Jude?

1275
00:45:18,885 --> 00:45:20,644
I think quoted a lot of it, but,

1276
00:45:21,284 --> 00:45:24,005
it calls him extensively calls him, son of

1277
00:45:24,005 --> 00:45:25,765
man. One like the son of man. And

1278
00:45:25,765 --> 00:45:27,284
that may be where Daniel picked it up

1279
00:45:27,284 --> 00:45:29,125
because this thing goes they found it in,

1280
00:45:29,684 --> 00:45:32,565
caves at, Qumran. Yeah. Mhmm. And about two

1281
00:45:32,565 --> 00:45:35,409
hundred years before Jesus. That's Dead Sea Scrolls.

1282
00:45:35,789 --> 00:45:37,789
They found that. Yeah. And they may not

1283
00:45:37,789 --> 00:45:38,289
be

1284
00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:40,049
biblical, but they're historical.

1285
00:45:40,429 --> 00:45:42,750
And they and they and they and they

1286
00:45:42,750 --> 00:45:44,429
line up. Yeah. They give meat to the

1287
00:45:44,429 --> 00:45:46,929
word of God. Yeah. You know, that's and

1288
00:45:47,164 --> 00:45:48,605
that's one of the things you bring that

1289
00:45:48,605 --> 00:45:49,984
up, you know, one of the

1290
00:45:50,445 --> 00:45:51,964
and and you do, you have to thank

1291
00:45:51,964 --> 00:45:53,724
the Catholics for this. One of the things

1292
00:45:53,724 --> 00:45:56,445
that came out of the early Catholic church

1293
00:45:56,445 --> 00:45:58,605
when they were gathering everybody together and deciding

1294
00:45:58,605 --> 00:46:01,005
what, you know, what do we really believe

1295
00:46:01,005 --> 00:46:03,569
about all this? And we're talking early early

1296
00:46:03,569 --> 00:46:06,469
Catholic church, not later, not around the crusades,

1297
00:46:07,010 --> 00:46:09,329
back up. Yeah. Further back than that. Third

1298
00:46:09,329 --> 00:46:11,409
third or fourth century. Third or fourth century,

1299
00:46:11,409 --> 00:46:13,730
early Catholic church. And when they came up

1300
00:46:13,730 --> 00:46:14,230
with

1301
00:46:14,735 --> 00:46:16,035
the Nicene Creed

1302
00:46:16,414 --> 00:46:18,015
and which, you know, came along a little

1303
00:46:18,015 --> 00:46:19,775
bit later, but when they were deciding all

1304
00:46:19,775 --> 00:46:21,315
this, one of the things they said

1305
00:46:21,695 --> 00:46:22,195
unambiguously,

1306
00:46:23,054 --> 00:46:26,574
Christ was born, not made. He is the

1307
00:46:26,574 --> 00:46:28,335
son of god. He is not a creation.

1308
00:46:28,335 --> 00:46:30,929
He is not something that just came into

1309
00:46:30,929 --> 00:46:31,429
existence,

1310
00:46:31,969 --> 00:46:34,210
that god created him as he was creating

1311
00:46:34,210 --> 00:46:36,449
the world. It was with his hands that

1312
00:46:36,449 --> 00:46:38,530
the world he was the thing making the

1313
00:46:38,530 --> 00:46:40,210
world. That's it. I mean, and the and

1314
00:46:40,210 --> 00:46:42,849
the thing is there's thousands and thousands and

1315
00:46:42,849 --> 00:46:44,070
thousands of text

1316
00:46:44,755 --> 00:46:46,355
that that that the when the council of

1317
00:46:46,355 --> 00:46:48,454
Carthage got together and they and they

1318
00:46:48,914 --> 00:46:51,494
brought together this whole canon of scripture,

1319
00:46:51,795 --> 00:46:53,795
I mean, they they was there there was

1320
00:46:53,795 --> 00:46:55,795
so many different copies of it. All these

1321
00:46:55,795 --> 00:46:57,795
all these other religions, you look back at

1322
00:46:57,795 --> 00:46:59,550
them, there's there's gonna be one, you know,

1323
00:46:59,550 --> 00:47:01,630
Joseph Smith, whoever you wanna look at, there's

1324
00:47:01,630 --> 00:47:03,469
there's gonna be one copy who nobody can

1325
00:47:03,469 --> 00:47:05,309
find anymore like you talked about the other

1326
00:47:05,309 --> 00:47:08,210
day. But I mean, there's so much historical

1327
00:47:08,349 --> 00:47:08,849
fact

1328
00:47:09,469 --> 00:47:11,904
surrounding the Bible. There's so much text and

1329
00:47:11,904 --> 00:47:14,545
and historical text that that they found over

1330
00:47:14,545 --> 00:47:15,764
and over and over again

1331
00:47:16,065 --> 00:47:18,464
that all point to the same thing, right,

1332
00:47:18,464 --> 00:47:20,625
to the same truth. So, like, just like

1333
00:47:20,625 --> 00:47:22,224
what you're saying, I was talking about,

1334
00:47:22,704 --> 00:47:23,844
manuscript evidence,

1335
00:47:24,304 --> 00:47:25,525
from what we have.

1336
00:47:26,190 --> 00:47:26,869
I I believe,

1337
00:47:27,989 --> 00:47:31,510
Cliff, Keneckly even, quoted this, that we have

1338
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:32,809
over 5,800

1339
00:47:33,110 --> 00:47:33,610
different

1340
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:36,469
manuscripts of just the new testament alone Yeah.

1341
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:38,489
Dating to the second century

1342
00:47:38,894 --> 00:47:41,534
to the fourteenth century that was handwritten, that

1343
00:47:41,534 --> 00:47:44,574
was copied Yeah. Or from oral tradition. Yeah.

1344
00:47:44,574 --> 00:47:46,675
And whenever you can get

1345
00:47:47,215 --> 00:47:48,355
closest to

1346
00:47:48,735 --> 00:47:50,994
the actual events happening in the first century,

1347
00:47:51,215 --> 00:47:53,529
the better. And we have manuscripts from the

1348
00:47:53,529 --> 00:47:54,909
second century. In fact,

1349
00:47:55,449 --> 00:47:58,170
that is so rare to have even that

1350
00:47:58,170 --> 00:47:59,069
many sources

1351
00:47:59,690 --> 00:48:00,170
that,

1352
00:48:00,809 --> 00:48:03,449
for example, Alexander the Great. You did not

1353
00:48:03,449 --> 00:48:06,010
see anything written of Alexander the Great until

1354
00:48:06,010 --> 00:48:06,795
April

1355
00:48:06,875 --> 00:48:09,054
after, which is four centuries. Yeah. It's like

1356
00:48:09,114 --> 00:48:12,234
Julius Caesar. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So whenever we

1357
00:48:12,234 --> 00:48:14,094
look at the manuscript evidence,

1358
00:48:14,714 --> 00:48:16,474
you have to look I mean, especially if

1359
00:48:16,474 --> 00:48:18,554
you're trying to judge Alexander the Great and

1360
00:48:18,554 --> 00:48:21,300
how, you know, history portrays him and using

1361
00:48:21,300 --> 00:48:23,239
the same, I guess, criticism,

1362
00:48:23,780 --> 00:48:25,960
you have to look at Christianity like, man,

1363
00:48:26,180 --> 00:48:27,000
they have

1364
00:48:27,539 --> 00:48:28,280
the most

1365
00:48:28,739 --> 00:48:32,099
Evidence. Evidence Yeah. Of what actually happened in

1366
00:48:32,099 --> 00:48:34,994
the life of Jesus. Overwhelming. It's overwhelming. Yeah.

1367
00:48:34,994 --> 00:48:36,675
Yeah. I mean, even I mean I mean,

1368
00:48:36,675 --> 00:48:39,954
just everything that was fulfilled in the, New

1369
00:48:39,954 --> 00:48:43,335
Testament gospels with Jesus. I mean, he fulfilled,

1370
00:48:43,394 --> 00:48:45,795
what, 200 something prophecies in the Old Testament?

1371
00:48:45,795 --> 00:48:48,420
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even with that, I

1372
00:48:48,420 --> 00:48:50,179
believe there was a scientific I guess,

1373
00:48:50,739 --> 00:48:52,579
a fact that was if if eight of

1374
00:48:52,579 --> 00:48:53,800
those was even fulfilled,

1375
00:48:54,179 --> 00:48:56,920
it's just like having the state of Texas

1376
00:48:57,539 --> 00:48:59,319
with two feet of quarters

1377
00:48:59,859 --> 00:49:01,635
and, I guess, guess drawing your,

1378
00:49:02,035 --> 00:49:03,554
a red dot on one of the quarters,

1379
00:49:03,554 --> 00:49:05,155
dropping it in the middle of Texas, shaking

1380
00:49:05,155 --> 00:49:07,235
it up, and you point your finger finger

1381
00:49:07,235 --> 00:49:08,594
and being like, hey. That's the quarter. It

1382
00:49:08,594 --> 00:49:10,535
says Yeah. In the left hand corner.

1383
00:49:10,914 --> 00:49:14,275
Yeah. You know? It's two degrees by 450

1384
00:49:14,275 --> 00:49:14,775
degrees.

1385
00:49:15,630 --> 00:49:17,710
Well, that's one of the main attacks, from

1386
00:49:17,710 --> 00:49:19,889
from Islam, right, is the is the authenticity

1387
00:49:19,949 --> 00:49:21,469
of the bible and it's it's been it's

1388
00:49:21,469 --> 00:49:23,069
been altered. It was changed. It was this.

1389
00:49:23,069 --> 00:49:25,250
It was that. And it's a fundamental misunderstanding

1390
00:49:25,469 --> 00:49:27,069
of how the thing developed anyway. It was

1391
00:49:27,150 --> 00:49:29,150
yeah. Originally, it was one letter written to

1392
00:49:29,150 --> 00:49:31,315
one church. Right. These letters were passed around.

1393
00:49:31,315 --> 00:49:33,575
There were copied, and it just grew exponentially.

1394
00:49:33,875 --> 00:49:35,555
Right? And the funny thing that. Yeah. The

1395
00:49:35,555 --> 00:49:37,954
funny thing is the Quran actually says to

1396
00:49:37,954 --> 00:49:39,875
judge by what the Torah and what the

1397
00:49:39,875 --> 00:49:43,050
Injil or the gospel says. Right. Yeah. I

1398
00:49:43,050 --> 00:49:44,510
mean, whenever you actually,

1399
00:49:44,969 --> 00:49:46,030
look at the Quran,

1400
00:49:46,489 --> 00:49:49,289
it's actually saying, hey. This is what if

1401
00:49:49,289 --> 00:49:51,610
you want to test the Quran, go to

1402
00:49:51,610 --> 00:49:54,170
what was previously written. So even if we

1403
00:49:54,170 --> 00:49:56,405
go by that standard, they had the truth

1404
00:49:56,405 --> 00:49:57,224
at that point.

1405
00:49:57,605 --> 00:50:00,085
So whenever we have manuscript evidence of the

1406
00:50:00,085 --> 00:50:02,485
second through sixth century, you really have no

1407
00:50:02,485 --> 00:50:05,445
argument because you really have the manuscript evidence

1408
00:50:05,445 --> 00:50:06,824
of what was written

1409
00:50:07,125 --> 00:50:09,699
from the first century in the creed of

1410
00:50:09,699 --> 00:50:12,820
what the believers said happened now. Yeah. So

1411
00:50:12,820 --> 00:50:14,420
I mean You know, and it's amazing to

1412
00:50:14,420 --> 00:50:16,820
me because you have we have the books

1413
00:50:16,820 --> 00:50:18,820
written by eyewitnesses. You have,

1414
00:50:19,539 --> 00:50:20,039
Matthew,

1415
00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:22,894
Mark, and John. They witnessed everything. They were

1416
00:50:22,894 --> 00:50:25,454
there. They saw it. This is their words

1417
00:50:25,454 --> 00:50:27,135
of we're saying what happened. And then you

1418
00:50:27,135 --> 00:50:29,054
have this guy, Luke, that comes along after

1419
00:50:29,054 --> 00:50:30,815
it. Mhmm. He didn't witness all of it,

1420
00:50:30,815 --> 00:50:32,195
but he collected testimony.

1421
00:50:32,574 --> 00:50:34,619
And he went to everybody and said, what

1422
00:50:34,619 --> 00:50:36,880
happened? How did it and yet somehow,

1423
00:50:37,420 --> 00:50:39,519
he managed to come up with a,

1424
00:50:40,699 --> 00:50:42,779
a collection of stories and a collection of

1425
00:50:42,779 --> 00:50:43,440
of writings

1426
00:50:43,900 --> 00:50:46,460
that perfectly mirrors the other three. Mhmm. And

1427
00:50:46,460 --> 00:50:48,940
it was independently written. He he didn't take

1428
00:50:48,940 --> 00:50:51,715
input from them specifically because he knew they

1429
00:50:51,715 --> 00:50:53,155
were writing their thing. He didn't go to

1430
00:50:53,155 --> 00:50:55,715
those three. He went to everybody else and

1431
00:50:55,715 --> 00:50:58,114
went, hey, look. What they're saying is true.

1432
00:50:58,114 --> 00:51:00,275
Yeah. What they're saying is is honest. And,

1433
00:51:00,275 --> 00:51:02,514
I mean, that's that is so amazing to

1434
00:51:02,514 --> 00:51:04,215
me. Just that one piece,

1435
00:51:04,949 --> 00:51:07,589
and yet you have those four books, not

1436
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:10,170
a disagreement among them. No. Right. And then,

1437
00:51:10,389 --> 00:51:11,589
like you say, we have it going all

1438
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:13,030
the way back to the second century. You're

1439
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:16,150
talking about a hundred years after Christ died.

1440
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:18,389
I mean We have we have the documents

1441
00:51:18,389 --> 00:51:20,010
going all the way back to there,

1442
00:51:20,315 --> 00:51:22,954
and they and not one copy of it.

1443
00:51:22,954 --> 00:51:25,994
It's multiple copies from the second century. Again,

1444
00:51:25,994 --> 00:51:27,715
they all agree. They're all the same. One

1445
00:51:27,715 --> 00:51:28,954
of the one of the things that that

1446
00:51:28,954 --> 00:51:31,275
people criticize about that there are some just

1447
00:51:31,275 --> 00:51:34,019
slight disagreements and stories and stuff, though. Right?

1448
00:51:34,260 --> 00:51:36,260
But but you look at some serious investigators

1449
00:51:36,260 --> 00:51:38,179
and they'll say, well, it's like four different

1450
00:51:38,179 --> 00:51:40,500
people looking at a crash scene from four

1451
00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:42,980
different directions. Yeah. Yeah. Some's gonna report on

1452
00:51:42,980 --> 00:51:44,900
this. Some's gonna report on that. Right? That

1453
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:46,739
doesn't mean that this didn't happen. It makes

1454
00:51:46,739 --> 00:51:48,519
it more authentic. Yeah. It's it's

1455
00:51:48,980 --> 00:51:49,635
a perception.

1456
00:51:50,034 --> 00:51:52,835
Yeah. It's a different perception of what happened.

1457
00:51:52,835 --> 00:51:54,135
It doesn't doesn't necessarily

1458
00:51:54,434 --> 00:51:56,715
mean that it did not happen. Right. But

1459
00:51:56,715 --> 00:51:58,034
it Right. What was

1460
00:51:58,914 --> 00:52:00,914
actually, that makes the gospels even more credible.

1461
00:52:00,914 --> 00:52:02,755
It does. That is not like, oh, you

1462
00:52:02,755 --> 00:52:04,409
have, like, four people that say the exact

1463
00:52:04,409 --> 00:52:06,329
same thing. Yeah. Right. You have different details

1464
00:52:06,329 --> 00:52:08,489
from different people that you can gather. Yeah.

1465
00:52:08,489 --> 00:52:10,489
And, you know, some might leave something off.

1466
00:52:10,489 --> 00:52:12,489
The other might leave some something else off.

1467
00:52:12,489 --> 00:52:14,010
Like, for example, the birth of Jesus. It

1468
00:52:14,010 --> 00:52:15,849
doesn't mean that didn't happen, but only two

1469
00:52:15,849 --> 00:52:18,304
gospels recorded. Yeah. All four of them record

1470
00:52:18,304 --> 00:52:20,385
the gospel or the gospel and the,

1471
00:52:20,944 --> 00:52:23,545
I guess, the, death and burial and resurrection

1472
00:52:23,545 --> 00:52:25,664
of Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. So we know he

1473
00:52:25,664 --> 00:52:27,065
had to been born if he was Exactly.

1474
00:52:27,264 --> 00:52:28,784
If he died. Exactly. Right? I mean and

1475
00:52:28,864 --> 00:52:30,464
but but going back to the whole car

1476
00:52:30,464 --> 00:52:32,385
wreck thing, you're I mean, you're exactly right.

1477
00:52:32,385 --> 00:52:32,760
You know?

1478
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:34,840
I may be standing at the front of

1479
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,039
the car. Y'all may be standing at the

1480
00:52:36,039 --> 00:52:37,079
back of the car, and I said, man,

1481
00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:39,320
did y'all see the bumper completely ripped off?

1482
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:40,679
I said, no. I never made it around

1483
00:52:40,679 --> 00:52:42,360
there to the bumper. You know? But I

1484
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:43,960
mean, but it was there, and and we've

1485
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,639
seen it, and it was our perspective, and

1486
00:52:45,639 --> 00:52:47,079
it's what we saw. But the thing that

1487
00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:49,525
we all agree on is the wreck happened.

1488
00:52:49,525 --> 00:52:51,284
The thing that the all gossips agree on

1489
00:52:51,284 --> 00:52:54,005
when they have these minor differences is this

1490
00:52:54,005 --> 00:52:56,005
thing happened. He was he was in a

1491
00:52:56,005 --> 00:52:58,565
field talking to a hundred people at this

1492
00:52:58,565 --> 00:53:00,164
time. And if he's gonna get down and

1493
00:53:00,164 --> 00:53:01,684
that's okay, and you know, they they want

1494
00:53:01,684 --> 00:53:04,559
to argue about those minor details. But the

1495
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:06,480
thing is is it's truth and it happened

1496
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,260
and it's historically preserved

1497
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,140
and and all these 5,000

1498
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,079
copies that that this council of car council

1499
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:16,079
of Carthage got together and they and they

1500
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:18,204
took those 5,000 copies and they looked at

1501
00:53:18,204 --> 00:53:20,284
them and extensively for years and years and

1502
00:53:20,284 --> 00:53:21,824
years and said, okay.

1503
00:53:22,204 --> 00:53:24,445
What matches here? What matches here? Well, this

1504
00:53:24,445 --> 00:53:26,445
this is, you know, Joe Blow wrote this,

1505
00:53:26,445 --> 00:53:27,885
and it didn't have anything to do with

1506
00:53:27,885 --> 00:53:31,369
anything. But these these 5,000 copies, these things

1507
00:53:31,369 --> 00:53:33,450
are Yeah. Are they match up, and and

1508
00:53:33,450 --> 00:53:35,369
they all tell the same story. And and

1509
00:53:35,369 --> 00:53:37,450
so so this this is the way we

1510
00:53:37,450 --> 00:53:37,950
accurately

1511
00:53:38,329 --> 00:53:40,970
look at this. Right? Today, it would be

1512
00:53:40,970 --> 00:53:41,470
the

1513
00:53:42,410 --> 00:53:42,910
equivalent

1514
00:53:43,304 --> 00:53:44,764
of 5,000

1515
00:53:44,824 --> 00:53:47,304
different movie cameras looking at the same at

1516
00:53:47,304 --> 00:53:49,864
the same wreckage. Right? You know? They may

1517
00:53:49,864 --> 00:53:51,625
be at different angles, may they may be

1518
00:53:51,625 --> 00:53:53,704
at different points, but all of them showed

1519
00:53:53,704 --> 00:53:55,464
the records were true. So let's you know?

1520
00:53:55,464 --> 00:53:57,090
But this guy over here may have he

1521
00:53:57,090 --> 00:53:58,690
may have put some AI stuff over here

1522
00:53:58,690 --> 00:54:00,369
somewhere, and it's not real. So let's throw

1523
00:54:00,369 --> 00:54:02,090
that out because we're not They filtered out

1524
00:54:02,090 --> 00:54:03,650
a whole bunch of garbage stuff. You know,

1525
00:54:03,650 --> 00:54:05,650
the gospel of Thomas and the gospel of

1526
00:54:05,650 --> 00:54:07,329
Mary, you know, just different things that were

1527
00:54:07,329 --> 00:54:10,545
just gnostic written garbage later. Right. Much later.

1528
00:54:10,545 --> 00:54:11,744
Yeah. And and and, you know, one of

1529
00:54:11,744 --> 00:54:13,344
the ways you know that it's true and

1530
00:54:13,344 --> 00:54:15,264
you know that they weren't doing the political

1531
00:54:15,264 --> 00:54:17,844
machinations that everybody tries to attribute to them,

1532
00:54:18,065 --> 00:54:19,985
they had knock down drag out fights over

1533
00:54:19,985 --> 00:54:21,344
what got into it. I mean, there is

1534
00:54:21,344 --> 00:54:24,039
historical documents from these meetings where they would

1535
00:54:24,039 --> 00:54:26,920
literally get into slugging fest, you know, start

1536
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,319
punching each other out over. You can't be

1537
00:54:29,319 --> 00:54:31,260
saying that. I mean, they they got

1538
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:32,219
passionate

1539
00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:34,760
and and and fired up about it because

1540
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:35,079
they had

1541
00:54:35,755 --> 00:54:37,835
they were so convinced that, no, we can't

1542
00:54:37,835 --> 00:54:39,515
say this or yes, we have to include

1543
00:54:39,675 --> 00:54:41,375
I mean, they would have arguments.

1544
00:54:41,675 --> 00:54:43,675
This wasn't a group of men that all

1545
00:54:43,675 --> 00:54:45,355
got together and a % agreed, this is

1546
00:54:45,355 --> 00:54:47,408
what we're gonna tell people. They had massive

1547
00:54:47,408 --> 00:54:49,430
disagreement. Let down and said, let's make a

1548
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:49,930
story.

1549
00:54:50,550 --> 00:54:53,430
Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, exactly. Like, like,

1550
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:56,010
for example, like, even sources outside the bible.

1551
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:58,070
I mean, not just, you know, Matthew, Mark,

1552
00:54:58,070 --> 00:55:00,470
Luke, and John, but also five outside sources.

1553
00:55:00,470 --> 00:55:01,050
But Josephus.

1554
00:55:01,349 --> 00:55:01,849
Josephus,

1555
00:55:02,550 --> 00:55:03,050
Tacitus,

1556
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Barboron,

1557
00:55:05,144 --> 00:55:07,065
Cipronian, I believe, is how you pronounce his

1558
00:55:07,065 --> 00:55:09,224
name. Even the Jewish talisman that wasn't even

1559
00:55:09,224 --> 00:55:11,164
a Christian, who was actual skeptic,

1560
00:55:11,465 --> 00:55:13,625
recorded that it was a historical fact that

1561
00:55:13,625 --> 00:55:16,585
Jesus died. Yeah. And whenever you look at

1562
00:55:16,585 --> 00:55:19,070
that, it's, you know, not just the Bible

1563
00:55:19,070 --> 00:55:22,110
declaring it. There's outside sources saying that he

1564
00:55:22,110 --> 00:55:24,110
died. Yeah. And then not only that, but

1565
00:55:24,110 --> 00:55:25,650
I also also mentioned that

1566
00:55:26,030 --> 00:55:27,090
making up a story.

1567
00:55:27,469 --> 00:55:29,090
I mean, if that was true,

1568
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:33,144
it's scientifically proven that you will not die

1569
00:55:33,204 --> 00:55:35,364
for what you know is a lie. People

1570
00:55:35,364 --> 00:55:36,885
die for lies all the time. Yeah. I

1571
00:55:36,885 --> 00:55:38,885
mean, you think of kamikaze. Right. You think

1572
00:55:38,885 --> 00:55:41,525
of Muslim, you know, Islam. I mean, different

1573
00:55:41,525 --> 00:55:42,025
religions

1574
00:55:42,324 --> 00:55:44,484
die for lies all the time. But what

1575
00:55:44,484 --> 00:55:46,885
they, I guess, you cannot die for what

1576
00:55:46,885 --> 00:55:48,349
you know to be a lie. And the

1577
00:55:48,349 --> 00:55:48,929
fact that

1578
00:55:49,230 --> 00:55:51,150
all 12 disciples or at least 11 of

1579
00:55:51,150 --> 00:55:52,210
them, let's put us,

1580
00:55:52,510 --> 00:55:54,530
but all the disciples was

1581
00:55:54,989 --> 00:55:55,469
persecuted

1582
00:55:55,789 --> 00:55:58,030
Yeah. And martyred. Yeah. A couple of them

1583
00:55:58,030 --> 00:55:59,869
are kinda fuzzy, but most of them was

1584
00:55:59,869 --> 00:56:02,994
martyred or willing to suffer Yeah. For what

1585
00:56:02,994 --> 00:56:04,434
they believe was true. That's true. If not

1586
00:56:04,434 --> 00:56:05,795
for a while. Yeah. And plus with the

1587
00:56:05,795 --> 00:56:07,635
prominence of women that figure into this, and

1588
00:56:07,635 --> 00:56:09,394
this is something that's hit me lately is,

1589
00:56:09,635 --> 00:56:10,994
you you know, we we were talking on

1590
00:56:10,994 --> 00:56:12,135
Wednesday night about

1591
00:56:13,139 --> 00:56:14,900
Eve. Yeah. Eve was the first to sin.

1592
00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:17,059
Right? Mhmm. Well, who was the first person

1593
00:56:17,059 --> 00:56:18,599
to see the resurrected Christ?

1594
00:56:18,900 --> 00:56:21,219
It was a woman. Yeah, man. Yeah. Isn't

1595
00:56:21,219 --> 00:56:22,900
that amazing? Yeah. It was the first person

1596
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:24,679
to carry the gospel. It was a woman.

1597
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:27,094
Right. Right. Yeah. And they would not have

1598
00:56:27,094 --> 00:56:28,694
put women front and center if they were

1599
00:56:28,694 --> 00:56:30,694
making something up. That's right. That's not not

1600
00:56:30,694 --> 00:56:33,414
that culture. Not not that at all. No.

1601
00:56:33,414 --> 00:56:35,335
No. No. No. Wow. No. They never would.

1602
00:56:35,335 --> 00:56:37,014
And and that's one of the arguments you

1603
00:56:37,014 --> 00:56:38,614
get from people today is, oh, that's why

1604
00:56:38,614 --> 00:56:40,375
they aren't more and I'm like, seriously? You

1605
00:56:40,375 --> 00:56:42,170
don't you don't see how front and center

1606
00:56:42,170 --> 00:56:44,089
a lot of these women were? Yeah. I

1607
00:56:44,089 --> 00:56:46,569
mean, the I mean, yeah. The the stories

1608
00:56:46,569 --> 00:56:48,969
revolve around Jesus and the disciples, but it

1609
00:56:48,969 --> 00:56:50,569
also makes it clear there were women going

1610
00:56:50,569 --> 00:56:52,489
along with this camp and following them around

1611
00:56:52,489 --> 00:56:54,489
and helping them out and doing things the

1612
00:56:54,489 --> 00:56:56,829
entire time. One of them was Mary Magdalene.

1613
00:56:57,105 --> 00:56:59,344
I mean, that's what I mean, scholars believe

1614
00:56:59,344 --> 00:57:01,984
that they, you know, follow Jesus Yeah. With

1615
00:57:01,984 --> 00:57:02,885
the 12 disciples.

1616
00:57:03,585 --> 00:57:05,664
I mean I mean, that that women were

1617
00:57:05,664 --> 00:57:08,144
very important. I mean Yes. They were. Whenever,

1618
00:57:08,144 --> 00:57:10,244
you know, people say, well, you know, Christianity

1619
00:57:10,385 --> 00:57:12,760
is not a woman, but religion. Well, they

1620
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:13,980
it's Christianity

1621
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:15,260
gives women,

1622
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,579
and us and as men, like, a purpose.

1623
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,180
Yeah. Yeah. That's right. A purpose.

1624
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,360
And when we fulfill that godly purpose in

1625
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,724
each other, it's not you're better than me.

1626
00:57:26,724 --> 00:57:28,485
I'm better than you. I'm here and you're

1627
00:57:28,485 --> 00:57:31,364
there. Right? It's it's just yeah. Yeah. They're

1628
00:57:31,364 --> 00:57:33,764
equal but different. Right? God said, I've got

1629
00:57:33,764 --> 00:57:35,605
I've got this purpose for you as a

1630
00:57:35,605 --> 00:57:37,125
woman that I want you to fulfill, and

1631
00:57:37,125 --> 00:57:38,565
I've got this purpose for you as a

1632
00:57:38,565 --> 00:57:40,184
man that I want you to fulfill.

1633
00:57:40,889 --> 00:57:41,389
So

1634
00:57:41,849 --> 00:57:43,609
yeah. Good. Man, that's good stuff. That that

1635
00:57:43,609 --> 00:57:46,190
is that is an awesome awesome discussion,

1636
00:57:46,730 --> 00:57:48,730
and we're pretty much, coming to the end

1637
00:57:48,730 --> 00:57:51,049
of our hour. And, man, that that was

1638
00:57:51,049 --> 00:57:53,289
a great talk, and I love love digging

1639
00:57:53,289 --> 00:57:55,885
into this stuff. Man. Yeah. One of the

1640
00:57:55,885 --> 00:57:56,684
things that,

1641
00:57:57,085 --> 00:57:59,484
ran across this week and have to,

1642
00:58:00,284 --> 00:58:01,824
bring up and leave with you

1643
00:58:02,125 --> 00:58:02,625
is,

1644
00:58:03,964 --> 00:58:04,864
out of Luke.

1645
00:58:05,324 --> 00:58:07,724
There's there's a a verse in there that

1646
00:58:07,724 --> 00:58:08,125
says that,

1647
00:58:10,530 --> 00:58:12,130
and I should have looked this up about

1648
00:58:12,130 --> 00:58:14,550
thirty minutes ago and kept it saved

1649
00:58:15,329 --> 00:58:17,329
because I'm gonna make sure that I quote

1650
00:58:17,329 --> 00:58:19,590
this properly. Luke chapter 16.

1651
00:58:20,369 --> 00:58:21,190
And everybody,

1652
00:58:21,650 --> 00:58:23,650
often remembers it. It's the story of the

1653
00:58:23,650 --> 00:58:24,949
unfaithful steward.

1654
00:58:26,045 --> 00:58:28,224
But the interesting thing is in Luke 16

1655
00:58:28,845 --> 00:58:31,244
and in verse 10, he says, he that

1656
00:58:31,244 --> 00:58:33,805
is faithful in that which is least is

1657
00:58:33,805 --> 00:58:36,445
faithful also in much, and he that is

1658
00:58:36,445 --> 00:58:38,945
unjust in the least is unjust

1659
00:58:39,244 --> 00:58:40,385
also in much.

1660
00:58:43,059 --> 00:58:43,719
And I

1661
00:58:44,420 --> 00:58:46,260
think it's pretty obvious when you read the

1662
00:58:46,260 --> 00:58:48,739
entire story, it's not just Jesus talking about

1663
00:58:48,739 --> 00:58:51,059
money, but he's saying, look, you know, we're

1664
00:58:51,059 --> 00:58:52,820
going to you know, when you're faithful with

1665
00:58:52,820 --> 00:58:54,599
that, these small things,

1666
00:58:55,295 --> 00:58:57,055
then you can be trusted with something larger.

1667
00:58:57,055 --> 00:58:58,335
But if you can't be trusted with the

1668
00:58:58,335 --> 00:58:59,855
little things, you can't be trusted with the

1669
00:58:59,855 --> 00:59:01,934
big stuff. Yeah. So when you're getting out

1670
00:59:01,934 --> 00:59:03,394
there and you're talking with people,

1671
00:59:03,695 --> 00:59:05,535
don't try to slip little stories in, don't

1672
00:59:05,535 --> 00:59:06,434
try to exaggerate,

1673
00:59:07,449 --> 00:59:09,369
be faithful with the little things, be faithful

1674
00:59:09,369 --> 00:59:10,890
with like, you know, like we were tonight.

1675
00:59:10,890 --> 00:59:13,050
We, you know, be be faithful with these

1676
00:59:13,050 --> 00:59:13,869
little details

1677
00:59:14,329 --> 00:59:16,010
that you may not think matter and try

1678
00:59:16,010 --> 00:59:18,429
not to exaggerate too much because people will

1679
00:59:18,489 --> 00:59:20,570
absolutely call us out on it and point

1680
00:59:20,570 --> 00:59:22,275
fingers at us. Yeah. And we don't have

1681
00:59:22,275 --> 00:59:23,335
to exaggerate. No.

1682
00:59:24,194 --> 00:59:25,414
Man, goodness gracious.

1683
00:59:26,034 --> 00:59:28,275
The the power and the, the word of

1684
00:59:28,275 --> 00:59:30,514
God and all that we read is just

1685
00:59:30,594 --> 00:59:32,514
it's it's out of this world. And that

1686
00:59:32,514 --> 00:59:34,275
is power. That's where the power is at,

1687
00:59:34,275 --> 00:59:36,679
right, in the simple gospel. It is. Amen.

1688
00:59:37,139 --> 00:59:39,380
So, brother Tanner, will you pray us out

1689
00:59:39,380 --> 00:59:41,699
tonight? Yeah. Lord, we love you and we're

1690
00:59:41,699 --> 00:59:43,960
thankful for who you are, Lord. Lord, we,

1691
00:59:44,500 --> 00:59:47,059
pray that you would just use this, time

1692
00:59:47,059 --> 00:59:49,934
together, Lord, to share your word, Lord,

1693
00:59:50,474 --> 00:59:52,394
exalt you, Lord. I pray that you would

1694
00:59:52,394 --> 00:59:54,474
just plant a seed for people that are

1695
00:59:54,474 --> 00:59:56,795
listening on on the podcast, Lord. I pray

1696
00:59:56,795 --> 00:59:58,714
that you would just use it, Lord, for

1697
00:59:58,714 --> 01:00:00,954
your glory. And, Lord, help us as we

1698
01:00:00,954 --> 01:00:02,554
travel out of this and make it home

1699
01:00:02,554 --> 01:00:04,780
safely. In Jesus' name, I pray. Amen.

1700
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,260
Special thank you to Carter Pridmore,

1701
01:00:07,559 --> 01:00:09,659
Brian Harris, Waverly Henderson,

1702
01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:13,159
Tatum Harris Spears, and Josie Partain for our

1703
01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:15,179
theme song, Truth Set Me Free.

1704
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,894
I've been Tyler Goza on production and audio.

1705
01:00:18,295 --> 01:00:20,295
We hope you can join us live next

1706
01:00:20,295 --> 01:00:23,275
Monday at 6PM central. Thank you for listening.

1707
01:00:23,574 --> 01:00:25,515
But truth found me there.

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01:00:26,215 --> 01:00:28,474
It was in my darkest eye.

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01:00:29,015 --> 01:00:29,909
I traded my