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In chains I was round,

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I was a madman on the run.

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Through the hills I wandered.

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I was running from the sun.

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But truth found me there.

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It was in my darkest eye.

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I traded my black heart for

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Welcome to Tell the Truth, a weekly podcast

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about faith, current events, and life in general,

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brought to you from Mountain View Baptist Church

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live every Monday night at 6PM

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central time.

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And welcome back this week. It is so

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good to have everyone back.

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Looking forward to tonight's show. I think it's

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gonna be a fun one and you guys

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get to look at our smiling faces,

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for the first time

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ever on here, which we are super excited

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about and think that's gonna go really really

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well.

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Or at least I say they're gonna get

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to look at my smiling face. I don't

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know.

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Assuming everything's streaming properly, which it was earlier,

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so we'll find out in just a few

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We'll flip over here so we can see

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everybody and brother Dennis, how you doing tonight?

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Doing alright. Doing alright. I got some, a

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concern I wanna lift up. My mother-in-law had

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some had a biopsy done today.

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Amen. And, and that the Lord's peace would

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be on her. Yes. Amen. Through this mess

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and just just keep her in your prayers.

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Amen. Definitely.

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Definitely remember that.

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And, yeah, those are those are rough when

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you're going stuff biopsy, getting stuff checked out.

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Not knowing is the hardest part. You know,

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I I was shared last week. I I

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was diagnosed with prostate cancer when I was

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40 years old in in, back in 02/2006

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and didn't know what to think for a

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little while. You know, I did a biopsy

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and I didn't didn't get the results for

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a little while. And that's that's hard. It

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is. Yeah. It is. Hurry up and wait.

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Hurry up and pray, though. Yeah. That's what

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we gotta do. Right. That's what we gotta

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do. That's what we gotta do. Exactly. Hurry

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up and pray. That serves serves you so

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much better. How about it, brother Brian? How

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are you doing tonight? Doing good, brother. Doing

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good. Just,

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you know, rushed through the day and got

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here and or rushed to get here anyway.

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but the lord's been good to us and,

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just trusted in him day after day.

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And tonight, we have a special guest,

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brother brother

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Byron Fricks. Yes. If I can remember his

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name. It's not,

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not telling me last week.

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Whatever Brian called me last week. Not telling.

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that. Yes. Exactly.

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And how are you doing tonight, brother? I'm

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doing well.

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Blessed to have the opportunity to be here.

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all put together and Yeah.

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we can be here. Yeah. So thank y'all.

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But when you got kids and graduation going

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on and life and it's it's tough. It

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is tough. It is. Yeah. We gotta give

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we gotta give you some credit here, man,

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because this, I think this is originally your

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It it was. Several years ago. And Yeah.

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the way, let's do the podcast.

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you've you've known,

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brother Brian long enough to know that he

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great ideas when he hears them, and then

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he sits on them forever. Uh-huh. So that

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a great idea. Yeah. Yes.

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we would meet together Yeah. Before and and

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just study the word and pray for one

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another. Amen. And and has transitioned into this

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population. Absolutely.

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we're reaching some some folks in other countries

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now and and got got people watching from,

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in Europe and different places like that. I

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a little bit more of the the dynamics

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of that but Yeah. Good news. We had

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Paris, out of France, out of Finland, out

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of over in the Norse countries and stuff,

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people all over Europe. It was pretty neat,

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it was pretty neat.

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them are you know United States and kind

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of local but definitely like

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sure within the tri state area it's like,

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yeah, you know, about 600 people or so.

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I probably just lack of what we talked.

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convinced they're they're just, they're they're either enjoying

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how we talk or they're just hoping to

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hear us, really really fumble up and sound

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crazy. Yeah. Yeah. You got me pretty far

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on the plate.

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man, that is having some issues with the

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stream for some reason. But as we're getting

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I always kick off, give a little little

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update on how things are going when I

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look around social media and things like that.

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absolutely insane over the last several months,

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that it just kind of,

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you have to you have to kind of

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keep a keep your finger on the pulse

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to know kind of where things are going

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and how things are aiming for Christians especially.

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I've been seeing is a major backlash

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whoever is,

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you know, saying something or coming out and

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saying, well Christians think this, Christians believe this,

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Christians believe that. And I'm starting to see

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people go, hang on, that's not what we

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believe. Yeah. We're I don't know where you

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get that. That's that's not us. Yeah. Right.

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excited to see that because we went a

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long time where people just they would just

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let them say whatever and just nod and

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agree and say,

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yeah. Yeah. Then some of them Christians are

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just terrible, and it's like, you go to

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a lot of posts, a lot of things

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where people would be throwing things out there,

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talking about things the church does or doesn't

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do or should do or shouldn't do and

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just tons of Christians bouncing right in and

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going, hold on there is nothing in the

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scripture that says that. We don't believe that,

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that is not where we are. We don't

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know where y'all are getting that but please

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back off. And they tend to group religion

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into Christianity and that's not the same thing.

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of groups out there that considers themselves Christians

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they're not Christ followers and they don't follow

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his teachings. They don't follow the word of

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God.

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And, and what they say is against that.

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So but That's kinda where we're headed tonight.

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inter a great way to transition into it.

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So we will take it away with disciple

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ship because that is such an important thing,

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training people and teaching people how to how

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you know, what we need to do.

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I think it's one of the areas where

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we tend to and we've talked about it

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many many times on the podcast here that

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we we that's an area where people tend

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to drop the ball a lot. Yeah. And

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we definitely wanna try to, we wanna try

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to do better on that. And so Yeah.

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I'll let you guys take off with it.

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Well, so, Byron, this was Byron's idea tonight

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to talk about this and and to really

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dig into it. And so I'm gonna let

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him I'm gonna let him just jump right

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in there. Well, thank you. When Brian,

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asked me a couple weeks ago,

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what I would

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we would talk about tonight,

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I said, let's talk about discipleship Yeah. Because

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that has been heavy, heavy, heavy on my

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heart,

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for the last year,

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at least,

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at the church that I'm pastoring and and

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seeing. And one of the things that I've

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been looking at

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and just looking at church history,

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you can see a transition,

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especially in this country,

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soon after World War

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two, of how

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church dynamics changed

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how lay members became apathetic

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to

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what they were actually called to do.

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now is we're actually studying,

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the master plan of discipleship. Yeah. It's an

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awesome book and just goes through the book

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of Acts and,

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looks at

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how you can be a disciple and what

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that's supposed to look at. Because one of

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the things that I've noticed is we are

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at least two to three generations removed

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from actually understanding

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the how

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of what discipleship really is. Yeah. We have

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churches full of people that know the what

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Right. But we don't understand the how Yeah.

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tonight, I just wanna throw some things out

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there Yeah. To y'all and just get your

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opinions. And Sure. One of the things that

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I told Brian, the first question that I

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had for him the other night was

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or or the first comment that I want

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you to just contemplate for just a second

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why we as a body of believers, as

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different

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body of churches,

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why are we better

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at sheep trading

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than we are sheep gathering?

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in that. You know? I mean, we it

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it doesn't seem that we have as many

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new converts coming in. Yeah.

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And and it seems that we want people

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that are like us. Yes. You know, that's

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that's what that's what the church is reaching

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for sometimes

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when we should be on the streets. We

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should be going where we need to go

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to bring them in to the highways and

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the byways and the edges, you know? Yes.

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I I don't I'd and we shouldn't. I

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don't wanna get,

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so and so from this church over here,

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this church over here. I I understand that

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there's sometimes that people leave their church for

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certain reasons and that maybe the lord has

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is leading in that. I get that. But

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it should not be our,

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our goal to go out and to reach

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people who are already settled in churches. Right.

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I I I think, people people leaving churches,

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I think there's a lot of church hoppers.

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Yeah. You know, they get a little bit

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displeased with something somebody or something, and they

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hop on to the next one. I I

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think the lord leading somebody to another church

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is is Yeah. A huge percentage of it

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is just not him leading

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to somewhere else. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I I

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don't know. I I don't I don't I

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think a big part of being a disciple

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is learning how to get along with your

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brothers and sisters. Yes. And and and we're

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gonna get to that part here in just

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a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Because that is

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one of the biggest struggles within our churches

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today Mhmm. Is having that one mind, that

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one accord, that unity, that love for one

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another Yeah. Because

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it doesn't matter what church building you go

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into,

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you're gonna find your cliques. You're gonna find

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your certain people that they're gonna talk to

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these people, and, they're not gonna go over

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here. It's the same way on the other

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side. And we almost have churches

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with this side versus this side and this

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agenda versus this agenda. Yeah. And through it

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all, and one of the things that, I've

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told the members at Mount Pleasant

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in in Crosswall, Alabama

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is we became so fixated on a hundred

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and eighty nine years of legalism

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that we left Jesus at the door. Yeah.

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And all we're concerned with is our rules

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and our regulations

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instead of

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what Jesus has called us to do. Are

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you following Moses or Jesus? Yes. Yes. Right.

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You know, and and there is a reason

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why scripture says in Revelation that Jesus was

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standing at the door knocking. It wasn't that

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he was knocking for the lost. He was

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knocking to the church Yeah. Wanting to come

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back in. Right. So when you put that

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into perspective,

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and as Ecclesiastes says, there's nothing new under

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the sun. We're just with the same things

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now Over and over again. Over and over

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that they were dealing with in the book

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of Acts. They just done it through multiplication,

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and we're trying to do it through addition.

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Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, Brian,

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you nailed it too. I I think the

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number of converts is way down these days.

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You know, we're we're we're approaching the end

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times. We know it's gonna get that it's

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gonna get worse and worse. Right? Yeah.

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And and and even in saying that, I

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think, I'm praying for a great revival in

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that too, you know, that that it at

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least there's there's there's that one more

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reaching out and going and grabbing them and

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and getting them in, you know. And I

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think I think that has a lot to

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do with

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now don't don't, throw tomatoes at me for

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saying this, but

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I I think that we have

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somewhat to do

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with

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the time that Jesus comes and gets us.

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Now in saying that, I know we don't

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know the hour, we don't know the day,

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and it's not it's never up to us.

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But at some point in some time, there's

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gotta be that last one saved. Right? Yes.

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So so

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are we

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is is he waiting on us to

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to do what we're supposed to do? Right?

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To make disciples, to go out and reach

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people, to go out and reach countries and

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nations and areas

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so that, you know, the I I mean,

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the quicker we evangelize

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Yes. The quicker the lord comes back. Right?

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And again, I'm not saying that that we,

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that we

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can

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make Jesus come back and get us or

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or, you know, have anything to do with

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god saying, son, go get him. He's still

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sovereign. He's still sovereign. Yeah. So please don't

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take that that wrong. But

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but I think the more we do what

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god's called us to do, the closer it

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will be to to his coming. Yeah. Or

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or at least our our rapture. Well, and

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it's the same thing that we had when

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we were talking about the the Calvinism and

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Arminianism and the difference there. There are things

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in the scripture, there are things where there

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are two two things that are true

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that seem completely

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disconnected. Yeah. You know, it it you know,

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we have we have a job to do

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while we're here. We have things and eventually

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there's gonna be that last person that's gonna

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get saved. Yeah. Yeah. But at the same

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time, God is sovereign and we are not

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influencing

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No. His decision for us to come back.

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No. No. No. But but he knows the

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point, the place,

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and, you know, are we are we are

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we feeling the temperature of that? Right. Fullness

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of the gentiles. You know, and it's the

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thing when you look at what a disciple

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is, the first thing is is you've got

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to be a follower of Christ. Right. Yeah.

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You have had to have accepted him as

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your personal lord and savior. Well, when you

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look in John chapter 15 at the end,

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it says that nobody comes to the father

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except I draw them. Mhmm. Yeah. You know?

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Yeah. Well, you also

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go through scripture and understand that we have

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free will. Well, it's just like What's that

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tension?

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It's that tension between, well, if this is

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true, this can't be. Well,

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the answer is yes. It's both. It's two

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it's two trees that line up. That line

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up together. Yeah. And so if you are

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a follower of Christ and if you you

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have accepted him, then Matthew chapter four verse

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19 says, follow me, and I will make

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you fishers

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of men. Mhmm. That means that you have

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a task ahead of you. Okay? You've decided

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to follow me. Now you have a job

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to do. Yeah. But

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like I said, when I mentioned earlier, when

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you look at The United States, especially after

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World War two, when all the soldiers come

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home and then all of a sudden you

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had that economic boom that took place and,

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there was money starting to flow around. And

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all of a sudden, especially if you look

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in the Baptist churches,

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they were all controlled by whoever had the

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money. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And when the money

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transferred hands to the pastor,

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now it became the pastor's job

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to do it all. Yeah.

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Yeah. So the layperson

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become apathetic

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Right.

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And said it's somebody else's job because they're

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getting paid to do that. Yeah. So I'm

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just gonna sit here and let him do

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it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, now we are two

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to three generations removed from that, and we

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have entire congregations

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that, okay, you got saved.

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Your name's on a roll. Right. And and

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you're you're making disciples.

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I mean, you're making preachers, but you're not

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making disciples. Right. Right. So and they're not

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coming together. And and and just something that

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just hit me hard when you said that,

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you know, follow me and I'll make you

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fishers of men. And then when you go

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to,

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Matthew 28,

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and and you look at go you therefore

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and teach all nations, baptize them in the

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name of the father, son, and the holy

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ghost. That's where we get that make disciples

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Yes. Yeah. From is Matthew,

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twenty eight nineteen.

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So in both of those, you look at

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something here and we see God's sovereignty and

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we see man's man's position at this too.

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We see those two truths coming together in

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both those verses that you say because, look,

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God,

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it's it's he's not saying go out there

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and save them. No. Right. Because that's not

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our job. Right? That's not our job. He's

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saying, I'll make you fit in other words,

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I'm gonna prepare their hearts. I'm going before

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you. I'll make you fishers of men. You

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go find them. I've already been there. I've

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already I've already prepared their hearts. I'm giving

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you the words to say. And when I

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get there, then they're gonna get saved. But

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now your job begins

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in you are to make a disciple out

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of them. You're to make somebody who will

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go out and make more converts and more

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converts. Go teach them. Right. Our job is

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to soak, to be light. Yeah. And adult.

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That's right. Sometimes I think we wanna we

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wanna be God. Right?

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And we think that we really have something

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to do with somebody's salvation, but we don't.

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Right? Because because he goes before us, but

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we do have a job in

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throwing it out there. Right? Right. Yes. And

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and that's perfect why it says, Paul planted

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Apollo's water, but God gave the inquiry. That's

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right. Yep. And and one of the big

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things that we're talking about in our church

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is it's time to plow. Mhmm.

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We we need plowers. Right. Okay. Because

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the word is being sown, but but we

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need somebody that's gonna come behind us and

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plow that soul up and do what it's

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intended to be and do what it's gonna

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cost. Because one of the things about being

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a disciple is as Luke chapter nine verse

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23 says, if any man will come after

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me, let him deny himself and take up

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his cross daily and follow me. That means

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we have to put our selfish,

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worldly desires

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to the side

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every

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single

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day. But it goes back to that apathy

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you were talking about. Right? We we've become

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Christians and not disciples. Yes. Yes. And there's

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a difference. Right? A disciple's literally a student

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or or a pupil or a a a

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learner. Yes. Yes. Yeah. That's right. And something

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that somebody that gives up everything to follow

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that master. And and Jesus said,

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that we we're to become like the master.

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He says in Matthew 10,

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24.

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Had you just stole my verse.

534
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But but Jesus said a disciple is not

535
00:19:40,190 --> 00:19:42,109
above his teacher nor a slave above his

536
00:19:42,109 --> 00:19:44,190
master. It is enough for the disciple that

537
00:19:44,190 --> 00:19:46,109
he become like his teacher and the slave

538
00:19:46,109 --> 00:19:47,009
like his master.

539
00:19:47,325 --> 00:19:48,524
If they have called the head of the

540
00:19:48,524 --> 00:19:50,765
house Beelzebul, how much will they malign the

541
00:19:50,765 --> 00:19:53,565
members of his household? Yeah. Yes. We our

542
00:19:53,565 --> 00:19:55,565
job is to become like Jesus. Yeah. That's

543
00:19:55,565 --> 00:19:58,125
the whole sanctification process. Amen. We don't take

544
00:19:58,125 --> 00:20:00,284
seriously that. Amen. No. And and we're not

545
00:20:00,284 --> 00:20:02,640
willing to do what it takes. Right? We're

546
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:03,759
not willing to do what it takes to

547
00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:05,759
become like Jesus. We're to follow Jesus. And

548
00:20:05,759 --> 00:20:07,200
he goes on in that verse and he

549
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,559
says and, you know, he tells them, if

550
00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:10,000
you're not willing to put your hand to

551
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,480
the plow, that's the problem. Right? Oh, oh,

552
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,240
yeah. We'll plow that field up. Okay. We

553
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:15,840
gotta go out there and you actually gotta

554
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,545
put your hand on the plow. Yeah. You

555
00:20:17,545 --> 00:20:19,224
gotta guide it and you got to work.

556
00:20:19,224 --> 00:20:21,065
You got to there you go. There's work

557
00:20:21,065 --> 00:20:22,825
to be done. You gotta keep the weeds

558
00:20:22,825 --> 00:20:25,065
out after that. Well, I mean, and it's

559
00:20:25,065 --> 00:20:26,125
one of those where,

560
00:20:26,424 --> 00:20:27,545
and we've talked about it,

561
00:20:28,184 --> 00:20:29,724
several times over the years.

562
00:20:30,025 --> 00:20:30,765
But if

563
00:20:31,269 --> 00:20:33,269
you go back to look at people that

564
00:20:33,269 --> 00:20:33,769
plowed

565
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:35,289
for a living,

566
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:38,789
they had scars. They they had marks. You

567
00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:40,869
could tell that they had been doing something.

568
00:20:40,869 --> 00:20:41,369
Yeah.

569
00:20:41,910 --> 00:20:43,049
We don't have

570
00:20:43,589 --> 00:20:44,250
a congregation

571
00:20:45,105 --> 00:20:47,424
that is willing to show you the scars

572
00:20:47,424 --> 00:20:50,384
because it's gonna cost them something. Yeah. Yeah.

573
00:20:50,384 --> 00:20:53,265
It's gonna cost them time. It's gonna cost

574
00:20:53,265 --> 00:20:56,804
them effort. It's going to cost them loving

575
00:20:57,424 --> 00:21:00,400
somebody else that might be different That you

576
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,360
don't want them. That you don't want them.

577
00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:04,559
I know right. And and you see it

578
00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:05,620
in your own congregation

579
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,220
Yeah. Where

580
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,279
people just don't love one another. Right. We're

581
00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:12,740
a whole lot of mouth,

582
00:21:14,075 --> 00:21:16,875
but we're lacking in our actions. Oh, yeah.

583
00:21:16,875 --> 00:21:18,734
Yeah. And and that's one of the biggest

584
00:21:19,355 --> 00:21:21,454
missteps that we've had in discipleship

585
00:21:22,154 --> 00:21:23,755
is we've got a lot of people that

586
00:21:23,755 --> 00:21:25,755
can talk it. Yeah. We have we got

587
00:21:25,755 --> 00:21:27,799
James Christians. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Hearers

588
00:21:31,220 --> 00:21:31,460
and They they know how to fix it,

589
00:21:31,460 --> 00:21:31,673
but they don't wanna do anything to fix

590
00:21:31,673 --> 00:21:33,460
it. I I was in a restaurant today

591
00:21:33,460 --> 00:21:34,440
in another town,

592
00:21:34,740 --> 00:21:35,240
and,

593
00:21:36,340 --> 00:21:38,340
I I had to wait to be seated

594
00:21:38,340 --> 00:21:41,355
for just a second. And, and I just

595
00:21:41,434 --> 00:21:43,115
was standing there, and I was listening. There

596
00:21:43,115 --> 00:21:44,714
was a lot of people in there waiting

597
00:21:44,714 --> 00:21:45,535
on a table.

598
00:21:45,914 --> 00:21:48,634
And and, and this these these three or

599
00:21:48,634 --> 00:21:51,194
four people were sitting there talking about Sunday

600
00:21:51,194 --> 00:21:51,694
sermon.

601
00:21:51,994 --> 00:21:53,914
And there was a there was a new

602
00:21:53,914 --> 00:21:54,414
preacher,

603
00:21:54,875 --> 00:21:56,519
young preacher who now is just calling to

604
00:21:56,519 --> 00:21:57,420
preach, you know,

605
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,160
and and and, boy, they were sitting over

606
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,080
there and they were critique they were critiquing

607
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,920
his sermon. Uh-huh. I mean, they were tearing

608
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,160
it apart. Right. And I thought, oh, gosh.

609
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,840
You know? I mean, they were like, yeah.

610
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,519
I mean, he kept, you know, he kept

611
00:22:08,519 --> 00:22:11,160
repeating this and that wasn't necessary, you know.

612
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,055
He kept he kept saying this over and

613
00:22:13,055 --> 00:22:14,734
over again. I was like, well, maybe he

614
00:22:14,734 --> 00:22:16,095
wasn't listening the first time and he was

615
00:22:16,095 --> 00:22:17,535
just trying to get it right for me.

616
00:22:17,535 --> 00:22:18,894
But he was like, you know, I was

617
00:22:18,894 --> 00:22:20,174
wanting to go, I was wanting to jump

618
00:22:20,174 --> 00:22:21,375
over and say, I'm a preacher, you know,

619
00:22:21,375 --> 00:22:23,855
and I I I know how this negative

620
00:22:23,855 --> 00:22:25,820
talk goes, but but they they knew how

621
00:22:25,820 --> 00:22:27,980
he needed to fix his sermon. Right? But

622
00:22:27,980 --> 00:22:29,660
I wanted to say, what do you do?

623
00:22:29,660 --> 00:22:31,660
Right? Yeah. Yes. What what are you doing?

624
00:22:31,660 --> 00:22:34,460
It it's it's like, Dwight l Moody. What

625
00:22:34,539 --> 00:22:36,140
I think it was it was Dwight l

626
00:22:36,140 --> 00:22:37,119
Moody that said,

627
00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:39,164
the lady was griping about,

628
00:22:39,884 --> 00:22:41,884
the way he evangelized, and he said, I

629
00:22:41,884 --> 00:22:43,345
like the way that I evangelize

630
00:22:43,805 --> 00:22:45,565
better than the way that you do not.

631
00:22:45,565 --> 00:22:47,805
You know? That was I'm I'm weekly quoting

632
00:22:47,805 --> 00:22:50,445
that, but that was, you know, you got

633
00:22:50,445 --> 00:22:52,285
a lot of people who say, yeah. I

634
00:22:52,365 --> 00:22:53,845
I'll do this. I wanna do this, or

635
00:22:53,845 --> 00:22:55,430
I know how to fix this, but they

636
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:56,950
don't wanna put their hands to the plow.

637
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:58,789
No. Not at all. Well, putting your hands

638
00:22:58,789 --> 00:23:00,710
to the plow means not only getting your

639
00:23:00,710 --> 00:23:02,549
hands dirty, it means you're gonna be, you

640
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:04,789
know, sometimes marring up to your, you know,

641
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:06,710
to your knees Yes. Out there digging and

642
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:08,549
doing the work and it's hard. Yeah. It

643
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:10,605
it's hard. It's difficult. It it takes

644
00:23:11,244 --> 00:23:13,724
actual effort and energy. You gotta force yourself

645
00:23:13,724 --> 00:23:15,345
to do it. Right? Yeah. And

646
00:23:15,884 --> 00:23:18,444
that's asking too much of, some people apparently

647
00:23:18,444 --> 00:23:20,044
because they're like, well, you know, if I

648
00:23:20,044 --> 00:23:21,244
have to put in work for it, it's

649
00:23:21,244 --> 00:23:22,444
not worth it. And I mean, I've heard

650
00:23:22,444 --> 00:23:24,869
people say stuff. Think about it. Yeah. If

651
00:23:24,869 --> 00:23:26,090
if you went home

652
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:28,190
group them in here. If you went home

653
00:23:28,190 --> 00:23:29,430
to your wife and just said, you know

654
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:31,190
what? If we have to work to make

655
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:33,190
this whole marriage thing work, it's just really

656
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:34,470
not for us. She'd look at you and

657
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:34,970
say,

658
00:23:35,734 --> 00:23:36,934
shut up and get in there and and

659
00:23:36,934 --> 00:23:38,134
do the stuff I need you to do.

660
00:23:38,134 --> 00:23:40,535
But but you know that that's why that's

661
00:23:40,535 --> 00:23:43,015
why we're where we are with marriages today.

662
00:23:43,015 --> 00:23:45,174
I'm a they won't put their hand in

663
00:23:45,174 --> 00:23:46,535
the plow there either and we have to

664
00:23:46,615 --> 00:23:49,255
it's it's a 10, a 10%

665
00:23:49,255 --> 00:23:50,849
all the time. It's all about me for

666
00:23:51,009 --> 00:23:52,549
everybody, ain't it? It is. Yeah.

667
00:23:53,089 --> 00:23:54,789
Another thing, that

668
00:23:55,169 --> 00:23:56,710
just come to my mind is

669
00:23:57,089 --> 00:23:59,329
as a disciple, you must stay in the

670
00:23:59,329 --> 00:24:01,009
word of God. Oh, amen. Absolutely.

671
00:24:01,490 --> 00:24:02,929
And one of the things I talked to

672
00:24:02,929 --> 00:24:05,169
Brian, I've talked to several other pastors over

673
00:24:05,169 --> 00:24:05,669
lately,

674
00:24:05,970 --> 00:24:06,470
is

675
00:24:07,184 --> 00:24:08,565
why as preachers

676
00:24:09,664 --> 00:24:10,724
do we continually

677
00:24:11,105 --> 00:24:13,044
have to preach the same message

678
00:24:13,904 --> 00:24:14,404
over

679
00:24:14,865 --> 00:24:17,424
and over and over again to the same

680
00:24:17,424 --> 00:24:20,565
people that are sitting there? Mhmm. It's because

681
00:24:20,625 --> 00:24:21,605
they are not

682
00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:24,299
staying in the word. They're not comprehending

683
00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:26,599
the word. They're just letting it go in

684
00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:28,200
their ear, and they went to church, and

685
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,960
they've done what they were supposed to do

686
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,200
because we're from Sand Mountain. We we are

687
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,119
in the midst of the Bible Belt, but

688
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,339
that is a falsehood.

689
00:24:35,904 --> 00:24:37,924
We are in the midst of a church

690
00:24:38,065 --> 00:24:38,565
building

691
00:24:39,265 --> 00:24:41,825
Yeah. Yeah. Section of the country. Yeah. Yeah.

692
00:24:41,825 --> 00:24:43,825
And it goes back to somebody got mad,

693
00:24:43,825 --> 00:24:45,024
and they went to There's one of them.

694
00:24:45,105 --> 00:24:47,265
They went to this they built this church

695
00:24:47,265 --> 00:24:49,744
because they couldn't love one another. They couldn't

696
00:24:49,744 --> 00:24:50,244
forgive.

697
00:24:50,830 --> 00:24:52,590
John thirteen thirty five says, by this shall

698
00:24:52,590 --> 00:24:54,350
all men know that you're my disciples if

699
00:24:54,350 --> 00:24:56,830
you have loved one to another. Yeah. We

700
00:24:56,830 --> 00:24:58,930
struggle with that because loving

701
00:24:59,230 --> 00:25:00,990
means that we're gonna have to forgive. That's

702
00:25:00,990 --> 00:25:03,070
right. Loving means we're gonna have to forget.

703
00:25:03,070 --> 00:25:04,990
Yeah. Loving means we're gonna have to take

704
00:25:04,990 --> 00:25:07,684
you at face value. And, yes, you may

705
00:25:07,684 --> 00:25:10,164
be from somewhere else. You may talk different

706
00:25:10,164 --> 00:25:11,924
than I do. Yeah. You may but if

707
00:25:11,924 --> 00:25:14,325
we can come together on the commonality of

708
00:25:14,325 --> 00:25:17,605
Jesus Christ That's right. Yeah. Good. Yeah. We

709
00:25:17,605 --> 00:25:18,585
can change

710
00:25:19,125 --> 00:25:21,929
our entire area. The gates of hell will

711
00:25:21,929 --> 00:25:24,169
not prevail against us. That's right. Amen. That's

712
00:25:24,169 --> 00:25:26,109
right. That is the god's honest truth.

713
00:25:26,410 --> 00:25:28,650
Yeah. And with staying in the word, Matthew

714
00:25:28,650 --> 00:25:30,329
four four says, if you continue in my

715
00:25:30,329 --> 00:25:33,414
word, then you are my disciples indeed. Yeah.

716
00:25:33,414 --> 00:25:34,474
Yeah. Yeah.

717
00:25:34,855 --> 00:25:36,714
Yeah. But how many times do we

718
00:25:37,894 --> 00:25:41,575
Oh, man. Have you Yeah. Us. Yeah. We

719
00:25:41,575 --> 00:25:42,634
fell in that rut.

720
00:25:43,255 --> 00:25:44,775
We thought, man, I just don't feel like

721
00:25:44,775 --> 00:25:45,755
it today. Yeah.

722
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:48,240
Yeah. And and all of a sudden, you

723
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,700
scroll through, and you're like,

724
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,740
my man I just killed an hour. Yes.

725
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:53,859
Right. Right. Two.

726
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,039
And if you can

727
00:25:56,639 --> 00:25:58,880
we can get real lazy as preachers too.

728
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,765
Yes. We can get super lazy

729
00:26:01,065 --> 00:26:01,565
because,

730
00:26:02,825 --> 00:26:05,065
because we probably are reading the temperature of

731
00:26:05,065 --> 00:26:07,484
the room. Yes. And and okay.

732
00:26:07,945 --> 00:26:09,484
I can give them this,

733
00:26:10,265 --> 00:26:11,404
and this is enough,

734
00:26:11,705 --> 00:26:13,865
and that they don't they're not that hungry.

735
00:26:13,865 --> 00:26:15,519
And I'm not talking about my church, your

736
00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:16,880
church, but I'm talking about the church as

737
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,799
a whole. They're not that hungry, so I

738
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:20,080
don't have to feed them that much. So

739
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,680
I I I I'll give them some fast

740
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,779
food instead of preparing a meal Yeah. Basically.

741
00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:25,680
Yeah. And and and we'll run through the

742
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,305
drive thru and get this message and throw

743
00:26:27,305 --> 00:26:29,224
throw it out there. Man, I've done my

744
00:26:29,224 --> 00:26:31,625
job. They've done their job. I've checked off

745
00:26:31,625 --> 00:26:34,345
preaching. They checked off coming to church, and

746
00:26:34,345 --> 00:26:36,505
everybody's good. And we go out the door,

747
00:26:36,505 --> 00:26:38,825
and we're we haven't grown any more than

748
00:26:38,825 --> 00:26:40,904
we did because you're not growing I'm not

749
00:26:40,904 --> 00:26:42,940
growing as a pastor, you're not growing as

750
00:26:42,940 --> 00:26:43,500
a congregation.

751
00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:46,539
It it should be it should be that

752
00:26:46,539 --> 00:26:49,039
we're challenging them and they're challenging us. Yeah.

753
00:26:49,500 --> 00:26:51,659
Yeah. Yeah. And reading the bible is critical,

754
00:26:51,659 --> 00:26:53,339
man. It is. It it really is. I'm

755
00:26:53,339 --> 00:26:55,019
reading this book or doing this bible study

756
00:26:55,019 --> 00:26:57,014
now about an older one by Charles Stanley.

757
00:26:57,014 --> 00:26:58,954
It's how how to listen to God. Yeah.

758
00:26:59,095 --> 00:27:00,375
And there's a lot of different ways he

759
00:27:00,375 --> 00:27:02,054
talks to us, but it's primarily through this

760
00:27:02,054 --> 00:27:04,134
word. Yeah. And how he changes us and

761
00:27:04,134 --> 00:27:06,774
transforms us is primarily through this word maker.

762
00:27:06,774 --> 00:27:08,554
Amen. And isn't it amazing

763
00:27:10,049 --> 00:27:12,390
when it says that that book is living

764
00:27:12,769 --> 00:27:14,309
and active? Yeah.

765
00:27:14,690 --> 00:27:16,850
Yeah. The the number of times that we

766
00:27:16,850 --> 00:27:19,009
can read it, and we've read it a

767
00:27:19,009 --> 00:27:21,009
thousand times or a hundred times, and all

768
00:27:21,009 --> 00:27:23,890
of a sudden, God's Holy Spirit reveals something

769
00:27:23,890 --> 00:27:26,265
to us that we've never seen before because

770
00:27:26,265 --> 00:27:27,484
it is applicable

771
00:27:27,865 --> 00:27:30,505
right now in this moment for what we're

772
00:27:30,505 --> 00:27:33,144
dealing with, what we're talking about, with what

773
00:27:33,144 --> 00:27:35,065
the world is going on. And when you

774
00:27:35,065 --> 00:27:37,224
look at this nation as a whole, we

775
00:27:37,224 --> 00:27:37,965
are now

776
00:27:38,345 --> 00:27:39,565
48%

777
00:27:40,619 --> 00:27:42,779
believe in God in this country. Yeah. So

778
00:27:42,779 --> 00:27:43,660
300,000,000

779
00:27:43,660 --> 00:27:44,960
people, 48%

780
00:27:45,019 --> 00:27:45,920
say they believe

781
00:27:46,460 --> 00:27:49,339
in God. Yeah. Okay. I'll read about it.

782
00:27:49,339 --> 00:27:51,099
Say yes. Believe in God. Saying that they

783
00:27:51,099 --> 00:27:53,180
believe in God. Yeah. And so when you

784
00:27:53,180 --> 00:27:55,214
look at that but you see what has

785
00:27:55,214 --> 00:27:57,075
taken place over this country

786
00:27:57,454 --> 00:27:59,234
over the last year and a half.

787
00:27:59,934 --> 00:28:02,894
We are seeing more 18 20 four year

788
00:28:02,894 --> 00:28:05,954
olds who have grown up with that phone

789
00:28:06,335 --> 00:28:08,515
and without the presence of

790
00:28:09,049 --> 00:28:11,929
interaction of real people that are searching for

791
00:28:11,929 --> 00:28:14,650
a truth because they've been lied to all

792
00:28:14,650 --> 00:28:17,470
of their life. Their eyes are becoming open.

793
00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:19,609
The Holy Spirit is beginning to deal with

794
00:28:19,609 --> 00:28:21,609
them, and you're seeing it all over college

795
00:28:21,609 --> 00:28:22,109
campuses

796
00:28:22,625 --> 00:28:24,805
that the harvest is ripe.

797
00:28:25,105 --> 00:28:26,005
Yeah. Yeah.

798
00:28:26,305 --> 00:28:26,805
Okay?

799
00:28:27,744 --> 00:28:30,325
Those thousands of college kids get saved.

800
00:28:31,345 --> 00:28:33,904
What now? Yeah. Where where they can go?

801
00:28:33,904 --> 00:28:35,505
Right. Are they gonna fall into a dead

802
00:28:35,505 --> 00:28:37,359
church? Are they gonna fall into a church

803
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,559
where they're apathetic, where they say, hey, you

804
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:42,980
know, doing a good job, you know, hey.

805
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,799
Yeah. You can chill it a little bit,

806
00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:46,640
you know. Just calm down. You know, you

807
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,400
don't have to be so you don't have

808
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,839
to be so gung ho. I think that's

809
00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:51,904
what we do. We we we throw water

810
00:28:51,904 --> 00:28:53,825
on the fire a lot of times. Yes.

811
00:28:53,825 --> 00:28:56,484
And especially if it makes us uncomfortable. Yes.

812
00:28:56,625 --> 00:28:58,704
Yeah. Some of these, some of these more

813
00:28:58,704 --> 00:29:01,744
formal churches like, I guess, Presbyterians, Episcopal's, and

814
00:29:01,744 --> 00:29:04,049
and and those guys have have a catechism

815
00:29:04,109 --> 00:29:05,869
that'll put a new believer through to teach

816
00:29:05,869 --> 00:29:08,109
them. Yes. Yeah. And, hell, I I don't

817
00:29:08,109 --> 00:29:09,710
know that we need exactly that, but we

818
00:29:09,710 --> 00:29:11,250
need something to train up

819
00:29:11,549 --> 00:29:14,190
new believers. Yeah. Yeah. Whether it is, you

820
00:29:14,190 --> 00:29:16,924
know, taking somebody that gets saved and taking

821
00:29:16,924 --> 00:29:19,484
them through the articles of faith or the

822
00:29:19,484 --> 00:29:21,565
Baptist faith and message. That's right. And say

823
00:29:21,565 --> 00:29:23,325
this is why we believe what we believe

824
00:29:23,325 --> 00:29:26,125
because when scripture says if somebody asks, you

825
00:29:26,125 --> 00:29:27,644
need to make sure you can give an

826
00:29:27,644 --> 00:29:29,825
account for why you believe what you believe.

827
00:29:30,220 --> 00:29:32,140
But we don't do that. Yeah. And when

828
00:29:32,140 --> 00:29:34,299
I mentioned that to, one of our deacons

829
00:29:34,299 --> 00:29:36,620
at church, he said, yeah. We used to

830
00:29:36,620 --> 00:29:38,320
do that. Yeah. Yeah.

831
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:41,180
Why did we stop? Yeah. Yeah. You're right.

832
00:29:41,180 --> 00:29:42,799
What you know? And

833
00:29:43,255 --> 00:29:45,575
there's no real answer. But when you look

834
00:29:45,575 --> 00:29:46,075
at

835
00:29:47,494 --> 00:29:48,794
okay. They're a disciple.

836
00:29:49,255 --> 00:29:51,575
Now we as the men of the church

837
00:29:51,575 --> 00:29:52,954
or the leaders of the church,

838
00:29:53,255 --> 00:29:55,815
we are now instructed to be leaders and

839
00:29:55,815 --> 00:29:56,714
to disciple

840
00:29:57,259 --> 00:30:00,139
that person in that discipleship. And and growing

841
00:30:00,139 --> 00:30:02,379
up, I went to a church that we

842
00:30:02,379 --> 00:30:05,099
had discipleship training on Sunday night. Yeah. You

843
00:30:05,099 --> 00:30:07,579
know what that was? Glorified Sunday school. It

844
00:30:07,579 --> 00:30:09,819
was. Yeah. And there was no they did

845
00:30:09,819 --> 00:30:10,879
not teach me

846
00:30:12,125 --> 00:30:15,264
how to Yeah. Go. Well, then we did,

847
00:30:15,884 --> 00:30:18,044
faith training and different things, and we went

848
00:30:18,044 --> 00:30:19,724
out and knocked on doors, and we were

849
00:30:19,724 --> 00:30:20,544
trying to,

850
00:30:20,845 --> 00:30:22,784
get soul saved. And

851
00:30:23,244 --> 00:30:25,500
as a 18 year old, that's pretty scary

852
00:30:25,659 --> 00:30:27,740
Yeah. In knocking on some of those doors.

853
00:30:27,740 --> 00:30:28,960
Yeah. But

854
00:30:29,659 --> 00:30:30,960
that was a learning

855
00:30:31,339 --> 00:30:33,819
on the fly. Mhmm. And that's what so

856
00:30:33,819 --> 00:30:36,224
many of our people are trying to do.

857
00:30:36,304 --> 00:30:38,065
But Matthew five fourteen says, you are the

858
00:30:38,065 --> 00:30:39,424
light of the world. A city that is

859
00:30:39,424 --> 00:30:41,505
set on a hill cannot be hid. Yeah.

860
00:30:41,505 --> 00:30:42,964
Amen. What does that mean?

861
00:30:43,505 --> 00:30:45,825
As a disciple of a Christ, your life

862
00:30:45,825 --> 00:30:48,464
should shine for others to where they see

863
00:30:48,464 --> 00:30:48,964
Jesus

864
00:30:49,424 --> 00:30:49,924
through

865
00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:52,960
you. Oh, the time. Right. Not the zipper.

866
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,580
Church. Yeah. At work. Well, at At Walmart.

867
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,779
And that is the biggest

868
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,980
emphasis that we placed on all of this

869
00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:01,740
is our discipleship

870
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,019
Yeah. Is Sunday morning at 10:00.

871
00:31:05,174 --> 00:31:06,634
We're gonna go to Sunday school.

872
00:31:07,335 --> 00:31:09,255
We might talk a little bit. We might

873
00:31:09,414 --> 00:31:11,335
hey. How are you? Right. You're gonna sit

874
00:31:11,335 --> 00:31:13,575
through church. You're gonna shake hands. You're gonna

875
00:31:13,575 --> 00:31:15,434
leave Wednesday night, 06:00.

876
00:31:15,575 --> 00:31:17,414
You're here. Hey. How are you? Do you

877
00:31:17,414 --> 00:31:18,394
have a good week?

878
00:31:19,109 --> 00:31:22,150
That is the extent of your discipleship. Yeah.

879
00:31:22,150 --> 00:31:24,549
That's right. We we went through the Baptist

880
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:26,869
faith and message and our church covenant, a

881
00:31:26,869 --> 00:31:29,609
few months ago. We started doing it on,

882
00:31:30,069 --> 00:31:32,204
on Sunday nights one time a month.

883
00:31:32,684 --> 00:31:34,365
And, and I had a lot of people

884
00:31:34,365 --> 00:31:35,404
come up to me and say, I didn't

885
00:31:35,404 --> 00:31:36,684
know that. You know, I didn't know that.

886
00:31:36,684 --> 00:31:37,964
I didn't know that that was in there.

887
00:31:37,964 --> 00:31:39,325
I didn't know that was an articles of

888
00:31:39,325 --> 00:31:40,684
faith or I didn't know that was in

889
00:31:40,684 --> 00:31:42,444
the church covenant. And we got a church

890
00:31:42,444 --> 00:31:44,849
covenant hanging outside the church. Every now and

891
00:31:44,849 --> 00:31:46,369
then, I'll get it down on a Wednesday

892
00:31:46,369 --> 00:31:48,049
night and go through it because I I

893
00:31:48,049 --> 00:31:49,569
want people to know, hey. This is what

894
00:31:49,569 --> 00:31:51,490
we believe, and this is why we believe

895
00:31:51,490 --> 00:31:53,009
what we believe. Yeah. That's what we call

896
00:31:53,009 --> 00:31:54,690
it. Called it, you know, why we believe

897
00:31:54,690 --> 00:31:55,509
what we believe.

898
00:31:56,369 --> 00:31:57,730
And you need to know that. Right? You

899
00:31:57,730 --> 00:31:59,089
need to know Yeah. Especially if you're a

900
00:31:59,089 --> 00:31:59,750
new member.

901
00:32:00,424 --> 00:32:00,585
And,

902
00:32:01,384 --> 00:32:03,304
I I felt like we're getting everybody called

903
00:32:03,304 --> 00:32:05,944
up Yes. And during that thing, but it

904
00:32:05,944 --> 00:32:07,884
really needs to be something that's an ongoing

905
00:32:07,944 --> 00:32:08,444
process.

906
00:32:08,825 --> 00:32:09,944
You know, a lot of a lot of

907
00:32:09,944 --> 00:32:11,565
churches before you even

908
00:32:11,944 --> 00:32:13,769
become a member. Yeah. You sit down and

909
00:32:13,769 --> 00:32:15,850
go through this process of Yes. Why do

910
00:32:15,850 --> 00:32:18,250
we what what exactly do you believe? Where

911
00:32:18,250 --> 00:32:20,490
exactly do you stand on these things? And

912
00:32:20,490 --> 00:32:21,049
I I

913
00:32:21,930 --> 00:32:23,529
when I was away from Mountain View for

914
00:32:23,529 --> 00:32:24,730
a little while, one of the churches I

915
00:32:24,730 --> 00:32:25,390
had attended,

916
00:32:25,705 --> 00:32:27,225
that was their thing. When you went in

917
00:32:27,225 --> 00:32:29,305
and started talking to them about possibly joining

918
00:32:29,305 --> 00:32:30,585
or being there a lot, they're like, alright.

919
00:32:30,585 --> 00:32:31,945
Yeah. We have this class. We go through

920
00:32:31,945 --> 00:32:34,424
it. It's on these days, and we spend

921
00:32:34,424 --> 00:32:36,184
this much time. And here's and we start

922
00:32:36,184 --> 00:32:38,984
with this, you know, here's the kind of

923
00:32:38,984 --> 00:32:40,744
our history just so you guys kinda know

924
00:32:40,744 --> 00:32:42,460
where we come from, so so you're not

925
00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:44,460
surprised by anything. You find out later on

926
00:32:44,460 --> 00:32:45,679
down the ranks. They were

927
00:32:46,539 --> 00:32:47,279
a nondenominational

928
00:32:47,740 --> 00:32:49,819
church. They come out of the Lutheran church,

929
00:32:49,819 --> 00:32:52,380
actually. Yeah. And, so, you know, they went

930
00:32:52,380 --> 00:32:54,220
through kinda their history, but then they start

931
00:32:54,220 --> 00:32:56,654
getting into, we believe in this. We believe

932
00:32:57,134 --> 00:32:58,275
we believe in this,

933
00:32:58,654 --> 00:33:00,734
and, they'll even ask people like, well, you

934
00:33:00,734 --> 00:33:02,654
know, what, you know, what background are you

935
00:33:02,654 --> 00:33:04,734
coming from? And well, okay, here's where we

936
00:33:04,734 --> 00:33:06,414
differ from that. And it was really neat

937
00:33:06,414 --> 00:33:08,174
to have them sit down and go, oh,

938
00:33:08,174 --> 00:33:09,934
you came from, you know, a Baptist church.

939
00:33:09,934 --> 00:33:10,755
Well, you know,

940
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:14,059
here's an area where you might not have

941
00:33:14,059 --> 00:33:15,660
heard before, and they'll walk through it. And

942
00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:17,579
they really focus in on these areas, say,

943
00:33:17,579 --> 00:33:19,440
here's some things that either

944
00:33:19,740 --> 00:33:22,480
maybe you've heard or you dismissed or maybe

945
00:33:22,859 --> 00:33:24,880
you might not agree with us because

946
00:33:25,355 --> 00:33:27,994
maybe you do 100% agree with the Baptist

947
00:33:27,994 --> 00:33:29,994
or or whatever faith it came from. And

948
00:33:29,994 --> 00:33:30,734
it was like,

949
00:33:31,035 --> 00:33:32,715
man, I've never I had never seen anything

950
00:33:32,715 --> 00:33:33,994
like it. And it was just like and

951
00:33:33,994 --> 00:33:34,654
it was

952
00:33:34,955 --> 00:33:36,634
it was it was rough. It was a

953
00:33:36,634 --> 00:33:38,414
it was a whole ordeal to

954
00:33:38,730 --> 00:33:40,089
go through and hear all that, and I

955
00:33:40,089 --> 00:33:41,849
was like, man. That and and I think

956
00:33:41,849 --> 00:33:43,529
it's a great idea really. And a lot

957
00:33:43,529 --> 00:33:45,210
of people frown on it when when you

958
00:33:45,210 --> 00:33:46,809
even mentioned that. I've been talking about doing

959
00:33:46,809 --> 00:33:48,109
it here for a long time.

960
00:33:48,569 --> 00:33:49,630
We just need

961
00:33:50,009 --> 00:33:52,169
the people we need we need the people

962
00:33:52,169 --> 00:33:53,609
to do it, you know, to help with

963
00:33:53,609 --> 00:33:53,849
it.

964
00:33:55,424 --> 00:33:56,865
But I think I think a lot of

965
00:33:56,865 --> 00:33:58,865
times you have people join a church and

966
00:33:58,865 --> 00:34:00,464
and you have no idea what they believe

967
00:34:00,464 --> 00:34:02,944
especially Right. Especially if they're coming from other

968
00:34:02,944 --> 00:34:04,865
churches, and we've had people come from other

969
00:34:04,865 --> 00:34:05,365
denominations.

970
00:34:05,984 --> 00:34:07,585
And what you can run into is a

971
00:34:07,585 --> 00:34:08,404
lot of problems

972
00:34:08,945 --> 00:34:11,170
in if because what you ultimately want to

973
00:34:11,170 --> 00:34:13,430
do is make those people

974
00:34:13,809 --> 00:34:16,450
disciples and they they teach a class, you

975
00:34:16,450 --> 00:34:18,769
know, they they fall in and and do

976
00:34:18,769 --> 00:34:20,869
a bible study or Sunday school, whatever,

977
00:34:21,454 --> 00:34:23,054
And and you wanna make sure that what

978
00:34:23,054 --> 00:34:24,974
they're teaching lines up with what your church

979
00:34:24,974 --> 00:34:27,295
believes as a whole. Right? Because you're gonna

980
00:34:27,295 --> 00:34:29,255
be a whole lot of confused people when

981
00:34:29,255 --> 00:34:31,054
the preacher's preaching one thing and your Sunday

982
00:34:31,054 --> 00:34:32,894
school teacher's coming against it over here. You

983
00:34:32,894 --> 00:34:34,889
think we we just accept members too easy?

984
00:34:35,449 --> 00:34:37,529
That's something something I've noticed since I came

985
00:34:37,529 --> 00:34:39,130
back to Baptist. I was a Methodist for

986
00:34:39,130 --> 00:34:40,269
a while and grew up Methodist.

987
00:34:40,650 --> 00:34:41,690
And and one of the things we had

988
00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:43,289
to do, if you wanna join the Methodist

989
00:34:43,289 --> 00:34:45,369
church, you had to take vows Yeah. In

990
00:34:45,369 --> 00:34:46,809
front of the whole church. Yeah. And the

991
00:34:46,809 --> 00:34:48,889
church repeated them back to you. Yeah. It

992
00:34:48,889 --> 00:34:50,934
was a pretty pretty big deal. Yeah. Yeah.

993
00:34:50,934 --> 00:34:52,454
And and I know my my son and

994
00:34:52,454 --> 00:34:54,454
his wife have have joined a Presbyterian church

995
00:34:54,454 --> 00:34:55,734
over near Atlanta, and they had to go

996
00:34:55,734 --> 00:34:57,414
through that well, that catechism thing. They had

997
00:34:57,414 --> 00:34:59,414
to go through all these classes to to

998
00:34:59,414 --> 00:35:02,135
join. Right. Right. But what I noticed with

999
00:35:02,135 --> 00:35:03,909
with the Baptist church is like, oh, someone

1000
00:35:03,909 --> 00:35:05,510
told us to join. Let them in. Come

1001
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:07,190
on. Yeah. Just Yeah. Just bring them on

1002
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:08,650
in because that is

1003
00:35:09,269 --> 00:35:10,409
that is a number

1004
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:11,929
on a page

1005
00:35:12,389 --> 00:35:14,650
that when the annual meeting happens,

1006
00:35:14,949 --> 00:35:18,045
you can say Mountain View Baptist Church added

1007
00:35:18,204 --> 00:35:21,724
this number. Mount Pleasant added this number. Right.

1008
00:35:21,724 --> 00:35:24,125
Look at what's going on there. Yeah. But

1009
00:35:24,125 --> 00:35:26,864
they just traded. They they they just traded,

1010
00:35:27,484 --> 00:35:29,184
and we didn't go gather

1011
00:35:29,644 --> 00:35:32,304
anybody. Yeah. And one of the things that

1012
00:35:32,444 --> 00:35:35,079
when you look at our our members and

1013
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:36,380
and what's going on,

1014
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,460
in order to

1015
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,519
disciple somebody and and one of the things

1016
00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:41,320
we did in our,

1017
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:44,380
men's class when we started this study,

1018
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,320
I said, okay. We're going to figure out

1019
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,045
the how

1020
00:35:48,844 --> 00:35:49,744
on discipleship.

1021
00:35:50,284 --> 00:35:51,664
And what we're gonna do

1022
00:35:52,125 --> 00:35:54,125
is we are going to take one of

1023
00:35:54,125 --> 00:35:55,105
the younger men

1024
00:35:56,605 --> 00:35:58,844
and we're gonna take him under our wing.

1025
00:35:58,844 --> 00:36:00,684
Yeah. And what we're doing is the the

1026
00:36:00,684 --> 00:36:02,719
leaders of the church are studying this book,

1027
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,559
and then we're going to take it to

1028
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:06,339
the rest of the church. Okay?

1029
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:10,159
So they all literally five minutes after I

1030
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:13,280
said that, they had already dv'd out who

1031
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,684
they were going to get.

1032
00:36:15,565 --> 00:36:16,065
Okay?

1033
00:36:16,684 --> 00:36:17,505
And I said,

1034
00:36:18,364 --> 00:36:19,425
woah. Wait a minute.

1035
00:36:20,204 --> 00:36:22,684
That that's not how this works. I said,

1036
00:36:22,684 --> 00:36:24,785
we've got to figure out how

1037
00:36:26,125 --> 00:36:28,385
because I don't know that you're ready

1038
00:36:28,844 --> 00:36:31,500
Yeah. For the how. Yeah. They said, what

1039
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:32,160
do you mean?

1040
00:36:32,699 --> 00:36:36,000
I said, because in order to for discipleship

1041
00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:37,360
to be right,

1042
00:36:38,059 --> 00:36:39,440
it's got to be intentional.

1043
00:36:40,860 --> 00:36:42,400
It's got to be personal,

1044
00:36:43,194 --> 00:36:46,014
and it's gonna cost you something. Yeah. Yeah.

1045
00:36:46,234 --> 00:36:47,755
You've got to figure out and one of

1046
00:36:47,755 --> 00:36:48,815
the things this writer

1047
00:36:49,194 --> 00:36:50,255
of the book says

1048
00:36:50,954 --> 00:36:52,494
is true discipleship,

1049
00:36:53,514 --> 00:36:56,234
getting somebody under their wings, showing them how

1050
00:36:56,234 --> 00:36:57,835
to do it, what to do, when to

1051
00:36:57,835 --> 00:36:58,769
do it, and all those

1052
00:36:59,969 --> 00:37:01,510
things. It's not for everybody.

1053
00:37:01,890 --> 00:37:03,110
No. Yeah.

1054
00:37:04,050 --> 00:37:06,230
Because there's gonna be somebody that says,

1055
00:37:06,690 --> 00:37:08,929
I just can't do that. Well, there's gonna

1056
00:37:08,929 --> 00:37:10,769
be pushback from the other side too. Right?

1057
00:37:10,769 --> 00:37:12,210
It's like if you don't already have a

1058
00:37:12,210 --> 00:37:14,434
relationship with that person. Yes. They're they're not

1059
00:37:14,434 --> 00:37:16,594
just gonna accept what you you're discipling them

1060
00:37:16,594 --> 00:37:19,074
in. Mhmm. Yeah. You're right. That's exactly right.

1061
00:37:19,074 --> 00:37:21,074
And and we I think here's here's a

1062
00:37:21,074 --> 00:37:23,394
problem, and I think you you've already covered

1063
00:37:23,394 --> 00:37:24,135
this. But

1064
00:37:24,914 --> 00:37:26,675
the problem that we're gonna run into and

1065
00:37:26,675 --> 00:37:28,469
a lot of churches run into because we

1066
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:29,449
haven't discipled,

1067
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:33,590
like we should all these years, then you've

1068
00:37:33,590 --> 00:37:35,929
got a bunch of of older men

1069
00:37:36,389 --> 00:37:38,550
who have no clue. They're Yeah. I mean

1070
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:40,710
The guy the guy who's the guy who's

1071
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:41,210
saved

1072
00:37:41,684 --> 00:37:43,684
and the guy who has been saved for

1073
00:37:43,684 --> 00:37:44,505
fifty years

1074
00:37:44,965 --> 00:37:47,684
are almost at the same place. Yes. Because,

1075
00:37:47,684 --> 00:37:49,525
you know, there might be a little bit

1076
00:37:49,525 --> 00:37:51,844
of difference. They now this guy knows how

1077
00:37:51,844 --> 00:37:54,164
to do church more. Yes. But he doesn't

1078
00:37:54,164 --> 00:37:56,244
know as much he he doesn't know that

1079
00:37:56,244 --> 00:37:58,219
much about Jesus and and about the word

1080
00:37:58,219 --> 00:37:59,980
of god Yeah. And about, like you said,

1081
00:37:59,980 --> 00:38:01,599
how to disciple, how to,

1082
00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:04,380
to to to love them and bring them

1083
00:38:04,380 --> 00:38:07,179
in and build a relationship with them. The

1084
00:38:07,179 --> 00:38:09,440
the those things they're failing in. And so

1085
00:38:10,025 --> 00:38:11,864
they can't go get the young guy because

1086
00:38:11,864 --> 00:38:13,625
somebody's gonna have to come up here and

1087
00:38:13,625 --> 00:38:15,545
disciple them first. Yes. And that's what And

1088
00:38:15,545 --> 00:38:16,985
that's what you're doing. That's what we're trying

1089
00:38:16,985 --> 00:38:18,525
to do Yeah. Is to get

1090
00:38:19,545 --> 00:38:21,465
those that have been in church for fifty

1091
00:38:21,465 --> 00:38:23,920
years Mhmm. That have been leaders and deacons

1092
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,320
for forty years Yeah. That have never had

1093
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,660
to do this Yeah. Because it was always

1094
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,219
the pastor's job. Mhmm. And

1095
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,400
and the problem is the pastor's job is

1096
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,140
to shepherd

1097
00:38:35,514 --> 00:38:38,414
the flock. Yeah. It's not to dictate

1098
00:38:39,275 --> 00:38:40,014
the flock.

1099
00:38:40,315 --> 00:38:43,275
Yeah. And that's what the congregation is wanting.

1100
00:38:43,275 --> 00:38:44,655
They're wanting that dictation

1101
00:38:45,514 --> 00:38:48,635
from the pastor instead of shepherding and you

1102
00:38:48,635 --> 00:38:51,059
you going where you're supposed to be. The

1103
00:38:51,059 --> 00:38:53,460
author of this book, he puts it plainly

1104
00:38:53,460 --> 00:38:55,960
like this. He says, you are god's plan

1105
00:38:56,019 --> 00:38:57,640
a for making disciples.

1106
00:38:58,180 --> 00:38:59,960
There is no plan b. Yeah.

1107
00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:02,180
Yeah. Yeah. That's right. I I like what

1108
00:39:02,180 --> 00:39:03,380
you said there too. It made me think

1109
00:39:03,380 --> 00:39:03,780
about,

1110
00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:05,160
the way Jesus

1111
00:39:05,724 --> 00:39:08,144
leads us. Yeah. They don't drive us. Yes.

1112
00:39:08,284 --> 00:39:10,545
If he leads us and we follow. Yeah.

1113
00:39:10,764 --> 00:39:13,804
Yeah. And and sometimes we we have a

1114
00:39:13,804 --> 00:39:16,945
hard time following them. Yeah. Yeah. Because

1115
00:39:17,610 --> 00:39:19,450
I'm 44 and I'm pretty set in my

1116
00:39:19,450 --> 00:39:21,530
ways. That's that yeah. That's something else I

1117
00:39:21,530 --> 00:39:23,610
thought about these older men. Pride's gonna get

1118
00:39:23,610 --> 00:39:25,130
in the way. Right? Yes. It does. Yeah.

1119
00:39:25,130 --> 00:39:27,050
It does. Because who wants to say after

1120
00:39:27,050 --> 00:39:29,610
they've been in church all these years or

1121
00:39:29,610 --> 00:39:31,230
even been in a church leadership.

1122
00:39:31,554 --> 00:39:33,635
Right? Maybe a deacon or maybe some kind

1123
00:39:33,635 --> 00:39:35,335
of type of teacher in the church

1124
00:39:35,875 --> 00:39:38,195
and they begin to realize, wait a minute,

1125
00:39:38,195 --> 00:39:39,795
I'm just not really where I need to

1126
00:39:39,795 --> 00:39:42,275
be. But I'm not about to say anything

1127
00:39:42,275 --> 00:39:44,114
about it. I'm just gonna keep coasting. Yes,

1128
00:39:44,114 --> 00:39:46,675
I understand. I'm gonna what my grandmother told

1129
00:39:46,675 --> 00:39:49,159
me fifty years ago that's wrong. Yeah. Yeah.

1130
00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:51,260
Well, I said, I'm and I knew,

1131
00:39:51,799 --> 00:39:53,980
that would probably come up. And that's why

1132
00:39:54,839 --> 00:39:55,819
as disciples,

1133
00:39:56,119 --> 00:39:57,339
we have to grow

1134
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,019
with other believers.

1135
00:39:59,445 --> 00:40:02,885
Right. Exactly. Hebrews three thirteen says exhort one

1136
00:40:02,885 --> 00:40:03,385
another

1137
00:40:03,844 --> 00:40:07,045
daily. Yeah. Galatians six two says to bear

1138
00:40:07,045 --> 00:40:07,945
you one another's

1139
00:40:08,244 --> 00:40:11,385
burdens. Yeah. Yeah. We've got to exhort

1140
00:40:11,730 --> 00:40:13,650
and we've got to bear. That's right. And

1141
00:40:13,650 --> 00:40:16,610
sometimes we need somebody that's willing to hold

1142
00:40:16,610 --> 00:40:19,250
our arms up. Mhmm. We gotta have somebody

1143
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:21,010
that's willing to put a rock down for

1144
00:40:21,010 --> 00:40:22,610
us to see it. Yeah. We gotta have

1145
00:40:22,610 --> 00:40:25,570
somebody that's willing to listen to me and

1146
00:40:25,570 --> 00:40:27,734
what's going on in my life. Yeah. Not

1147
00:40:27,734 --> 00:40:29,835
just the casual Sunday morning,

1148
00:40:30,214 --> 00:40:33,654
Sunday night, Wednesday night conversation, but somebody that's

1149
00:40:33,654 --> 00:40:36,054
willing to be real with me. Yeah. And

1150
00:40:36,054 --> 00:40:37,994
the biggest thing of it all,

1151
00:40:38,614 --> 00:40:40,074
and this is a key word,

1152
00:40:40,534 --> 00:40:41,034
accountability.

1153
00:40:41,574 --> 00:40:42,474
Mhmm. Yeah.

1154
00:40:43,469 --> 00:40:43,969
Yeah.

1155
00:40:44,909 --> 00:40:46,609
We, as leaders of the church,

1156
00:40:48,030 --> 00:40:49,489
we there's gotta be accountability

1157
00:40:50,109 --> 00:40:51,570
Yeah. Yeah. For why

1158
00:40:52,030 --> 00:40:53,489
this is not working

1159
00:40:53,869 --> 00:40:56,269
or not happening Yeah. Or why it is

1160
00:40:56,269 --> 00:40:59,465
happening. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because who's questioning that.

1161
00:40:59,465 --> 00:41:01,785
Right? And it goes back to even a

1162
00:41:01,785 --> 00:41:03,005
pastor getting comfortable,

1163
00:41:03,385 --> 00:41:04,765
and and and lazy,

1164
00:41:05,385 --> 00:41:07,704
and if he's not questioning anybody, then then

1165
00:41:07,704 --> 00:41:09,704
who, you know, just stays where it's at.

1166
00:41:09,704 --> 00:41:11,679
It gets and then it gets stagnant. I

1167
00:41:11,679 --> 00:41:13,440
mean, it gets really stagnant. And you said

1168
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:15,519
you said you you've told me that before

1169
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:17,280
and and I appreciate you for this and

1170
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,539
I know that you did and still do

1171
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:21,280
uh-uh in your prayers, but you told me

1172
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,360
at one time you said, Ryan, I wanna

1173
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:24,800
I wanna I wanna be your heir and

1174
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,400
I wanna hold you up. You know? And

1175
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,755
and and I appreciate that. And then he

1176
00:41:28,755 --> 00:41:30,135
left and started Patrick.

1177
00:41:31,234 --> 00:41:31,734
I

1178
00:41:32,835 --> 00:41:34,514
think the arms got Yeah. The arms got

1179
00:41:34,514 --> 00:41:36,675
time. I'm pretty big old boy, so it's

1180
00:41:36,675 --> 00:41:37,954
hard it's hard to hold you up. You

1181
00:41:37,954 --> 00:41:38,454
know.

1182
00:41:39,449 --> 00:41:40,969
Yeah. Y'all say what you're talking about now.

1183
00:41:40,969 --> 00:41:42,809
But but no. But I mean and I

1184
00:41:42,809 --> 00:41:44,489
appreciate that. And and we do. We have

1185
00:41:44,489 --> 00:41:46,489
to come alongside each other. We have to

1186
00:41:46,489 --> 00:41:48,409
realize where people are at, and we have

1187
00:41:48,409 --> 00:41:50,730
to help them. Right? There's there's way too

1188
00:41:50,730 --> 00:41:51,550
much criticism.

1189
00:41:52,304 --> 00:41:55,364
Yes. And and not enough encouragement out there.

1190
00:41:55,505 --> 00:41:57,585
Paul we look at Paul. Paul was this

1191
00:41:57,585 --> 00:41:59,744
rough guy, tough guy, and and he was

1192
00:41:59,744 --> 00:42:01,585
and he was straight and to the point,

1193
00:42:01,585 --> 00:42:03,744
but he also if you look if you

1194
00:42:03,744 --> 00:42:05,905
look especially when he started talking to Peter

1195
00:42:05,905 --> 00:42:08,550
and Timothy and he man, he was encouraging

1196
00:42:08,609 --> 00:42:10,130
us, guys. I think he was lifting them

1197
00:42:10,130 --> 00:42:11,809
up, and he was saying, I wished I

1198
00:42:11,809 --> 00:42:13,010
could be there with you. I'm over here

1199
00:42:13,010 --> 00:42:14,369
in prison right in this, but I wish

1200
00:42:14,369 --> 00:42:15,889
I could be there with you, and I

1201
00:42:15,889 --> 00:42:17,409
wish I could help hold you up. But

1202
00:42:17,409 --> 00:42:19,489
I I'm I'm sending you this encouragement, and

1203
00:42:19,489 --> 00:42:21,824
hopefully, I'll be there soon. And that's what

1204
00:42:21,824 --> 00:42:23,284
we need to be to each other.

1205
00:42:24,224 --> 00:42:26,144
Something that that I've really had a gripe

1206
00:42:26,144 --> 00:42:28,385
about, and and this this may this may

1207
00:42:28,385 --> 00:42:29,764
step on some toes, but,

1208
00:42:30,465 --> 00:42:32,485
when another church is doing good,

1209
00:42:33,410 --> 00:42:33,910
how,

1210
00:42:35,329 --> 00:42:35,829
skeptic

1211
00:42:36,369 --> 00:42:38,769
we get about it and and and how

1212
00:42:38,769 --> 00:42:40,849
we start, you know, well, I mean, you

1213
00:42:40,849 --> 00:42:42,369
know, what church over there? What are they

1214
00:42:42,369 --> 00:42:43,969
doing over there? They must be doing this.

1215
00:42:43,969 --> 00:42:45,410
They must be doing that. I guess they're

1216
00:42:45,410 --> 00:42:47,385
just serving them ice cream every week. But

1217
00:42:47,385 --> 00:42:49,385
but you know and and and I know,

1218
00:42:49,625 --> 00:42:52,105
one church locally that that's that's doing really

1219
00:42:52,105 --> 00:42:54,025
good right now and people are joining that

1220
00:42:54,025 --> 00:42:55,945
church and people are getting saved and and

1221
00:42:55,945 --> 00:42:57,784
you know and I know the preacher myself

1222
00:42:57,784 --> 00:42:59,625
and I know that he's a great man

1223
00:42:59,625 --> 00:43:01,800
of God and I and I hear a

1224
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,059
lot of I hear a lot of negativity

1225
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,039
about it. Man, why can't we just be

1226
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:07,640
happy and pray for them? And if it's

1227
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,720
not happening at your church, then what are

1228
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:11,160
you doing about it? Right? I mean, I

1229
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,079
have to ask myself that question. Yeah. I

1230
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:15,605
mean, if if it's not happening, if it's

1231
00:43:15,605 --> 00:43:17,445
not going on, then what do we need

1232
00:43:17,445 --> 00:43:19,445
to do to change that dynamic? And what

1233
00:43:19,445 --> 00:43:21,284
do we need to do to to,

1234
00:43:22,324 --> 00:43:24,405
to start get on fire for God? Yeah.

1235
00:43:24,405 --> 00:43:26,244
And without being revived. With that being said,

1236
00:43:26,244 --> 00:43:27,820
I wanna read this excerpt from the book.

1237
00:43:27,820 --> 00:43:29,980
It says how critically the church needs the

1238
00:43:29,980 --> 00:43:30,880
kingdom vision.

1239
00:43:31,260 --> 00:43:33,260
A vision born of the word of God

1240
00:43:33,260 --> 00:43:35,679
and the reality of his will for humankind.

1241
00:43:36,460 --> 00:43:39,039
Too easily we have settled for less,

1242
00:43:39,820 --> 00:43:42,159
letting the world set our agenda

1243
00:43:42,764 --> 00:43:43,824
while the priorities

1244
00:43:44,125 --> 00:43:45,984
of heaven are ignored.

1245
00:43:46,284 --> 00:43:46,784
Mhmm.

1246
00:43:48,364 --> 00:43:50,204
Is that not the true man? I just

1247
00:43:50,204 --> 00:43:51,964
keep thinking about pride, man. I you know,

1248
00:43:51,964 --> 00:43:53,405
it all comes back to that to me

1249
00:43:53,405 --> 00:43:56,190
because we you know, especially men won't be

1250
00:43:56,489 --> 00:43:59,050
vulnerable vulnerable enough to be accountable to somebody.

1251
00:43:59,050 --> 00:44:01,530
Yeah. Don't tell anybody else their problem. Yes.

1252
00:44:01,530 --> 00:44:03,050
Or just just hang on to it and

1253
00:44:03,050 --> 00:44:04,989
suck it up and keep moving on. Right?

1254
00:44:05,369 --> 00:44:06,670
Because we think as men,

1255
00:44:07,210 --> 00:44:08,969
if I tell you something and you say

1256
00:44:08,969 --> 00:44:10,570
something back to me, you're getting on to

1257
00:44:10,570 --> 00:44:13,344
me. Yeah. You're gonna condemn me. Yeah. Right?

1258
00:44:13,344 --> 00:44:15,605
But, no, we have got to learn

1259
00:44:16,065 --> 00:44:19,025
to build one another up in love. Yeah.

1260
00:44:19,025 --> 00:44:21,105
Right. Now granted, we may tell you something

1261
00:44:21,105 --> 00:44:22,324
you don't want to hear,

1262
00:44:23,105 --> 00:44:25,199
but but we've got to hold one another

1263
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:27,599
accountable. Right. And and and the proverbs are

1264
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:29,519
chock full of that kind of stuff. You're

1265
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:31,920
taking that taking that criticism, you know, and

1266
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,840
and chain letting it change you. Yeah. And

1267
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,079
and there's there's that side of it, then

1268
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:38,815
there's our side or or whoever's well, there's

1269
00:44:38,815 --> 00:44:40,894
two sides of it always. Right? All of

1270
00:44:40,894 --> 00:44:42,175
us have to be accountable. Yeah. It don't

1271
00:44:42,175 --> 00:44:43,695
matter what position you're in, all of us

1272
00:44:43,695 --> 00:44:44,594
have to be accountable.

1273
00:44:44,894 --> 00:44:46,594
But we have to learn to

1274
00:44:46,894 --> 00:44:48,974
to first love that person and let that

1275
00:44:48,974 --> 00:44:50,894
person know that that that we love them

1276
00:44:50,894 --> 00:44:51,394
because

1277
00:44:52,210 --> 00:44:54,690
I I meet you and two days later

1278
00:44:54,690 --> 00:44:56,449
I start telling you everything that's wrong. You're

1279
00:44:56,449 --> 00:44:57,890
like, I don't even know this guy, you

1280
00:44:57,890 --> 00:45:00,210
know. Why is he telling me? And what

1281
00:45:00,210 --> 00:45:02,849
place or position does he have to start

1282
00:45:02,849 --> 00:45:05,114
tearing me down? He doesn't even know me.

1283
00:45:05,195 --> 00:45:07,434
Yes. And and so that's where that building

1284
00:45:07,434 --> 00:45:09,835
that relationship comes in and letting those people

1285
00:45:09,835 --> 00:45:12,155
know I love you. That's and that's how

1286
00:45:12,155 --> 00:45:13,914
we got as pastors, we have to preach

1287
00:45:13,914 --> 00:45:15,295
some hard messages sometimes

1288
00:45:15,675 --> 00:45:17,250
and and and some messages that

1289
00:45:17,730 --> 00:45:19,650
if people knew they get the lord gets

1290
00:45:19,650 --> 00:45:21,969
on us first. Yes. Yeah. We just in

1291
00:45:21,969 --> 00:45:23,670
turn bring it to the congregation.

1292
00:45:24,050 --> 00:45:25,670
But they they take that message

1293
00:45:26,610 --> 00:45:28,289
a whole lot better if they got a

1294
00:45:28,289 --> 00:45:30,050
pastor that they know that loves them and

1295
00:45:30,050 --> 00:45:31,954
cares about them and is gonna be there

1296
00:45:31,954 --> 00:45:33,795
for them, good, bad, or ugly, and not

1297
00:45:33,795 --> 00:45:35,574
and not the guy sitting over here saying,

1298
00:45:35,795 --> 00:45:38,275
I'm perfect and you're The pastor that is

1299
00:45:38,275 --> 00:45:40,035
founded in the word of God and is

1300
00:45:40,035 --> 00:45:41,715
willing to preach the word of God in

1301
00:45:41,715 --> 00:45:43,954
spite of the backlash that he's fixing to

1302
00:45:43,954 --> 00:45:45,840
face Yeah. When he stands at the back

1303
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,660
door and shakes everybody's hand because somebody's fixing

1304
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,480
to say something Yeah.

1305
00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:52,880
Or or be ignored. And they're gonna say,

1306
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,980
I can't believe he said that. Yeah.

1307
00:45:55,519 --> 00:45:57,519
Well, that was the word of God. That

1308
00:45:57,519 --> 00:46:00,074
was the Holy Spirit. Yeah. That brought some

1309
00:46:00,074 --> 00:46:02,394
type of condemnation in your own heart. Yeah.

1310
00:46:02,394 --> 00:46:03,994
And and we need to understand too that

1311
00:46:03,994 --> 00:46:05,594
it all comes back to to what we're

1312
00:46:05,594 --> 00:46:07,195
talking about earlier with the word of God

1313
00:46:07,195 --> 00:46:09,355
being in this and having the heart of

1314
00:46:09,355 --> 00:46:11,034
God. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Right? If you got

1315
00:46:11,034 --> 00:46:12,715
the heart of God, it opens all that

1316
00:46:12,715 --> 00:46:15,019
stuff up. Yeah. And so, yeah, people don't

1317
00:46:15,019 --> 00:46:16,400
have it. A lot of people will preach

1318
00:46:16,460 --> 00:46:17,900
it. Yeah. Not necessarily have the heart of

1319
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:20,300
it. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And and you know

1320
00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:22,539
if that's a I mean, could you hear

1321
00:46:22,539 --> 00:46:24,780
preachers get mean spirited? Yes. And you can

1322
00:46:24,780 --> 00:46:26,585
tell it's not coming from a good place.

1323
00:46:26,585 --> 00:46:28,424
Right. It's not coming from a a place

1324
00:46:28,424 --> 00:46:30,184
of concern, a place of love, a place

1325
00:46:30,184 --> 00:46:32,444
of I wanna see you change. It's almost

1326
00:46:32,585 --> 00:46:35,065
like I wanna I wanna expose you and

1327
00:46:35,065 --> 00:46:37,590
I want to to get rid of you

1328
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:39,670
so that everybody's just like me. Yeah. And

1329
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:41,430
that's why Paul was such a good example

1330
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:42,550
of that. Right? Yeah. He was. He was

1331
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:44,230
always good because you love someone. That's right.

1332
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:46,309
Well and and he had He'd been there.

1333
00:46:46,469 --> 00:46:48,230
Been he'd been there. He had done that.

1334
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:48,730
Yeah.

1335
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:51,349
He saw what was coming and what was

1336
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:54,525
fixing to happen. And if you're 16 years

1337
00:46:54,525 --> 00:46:55,025
old

1338
00:46:55,885 --> 00:46:57,164
oh, by the way, I'm fixing to put

1339
00:46:57,164 --> 00:46:59,405
you in charge of this church. Here's where

1340
00:46:59,405 --> 00:47:01,964
you need to be. Yeah. Yeah. Because this

1341
00:47:01,964 --> 00:47:03,585
is what's coming. That's right.

1342
00:47:03,885 --> 00:47:06,445
We need to be discipling these people to

1343
00:47:06,445 --> 00:47:06,945
understand

1344
00:47:08,059 --> 00:47:10,559
what's fixing to come at them. Yeah. Yeah.

1345
00:47:10,940 --> 00:47:13,039
Because it's not gonna be easy. No.

1346
00:47:13,579 --> 00:47:15,519
No. And you're gonna have to die

1347
00:47:16,139 --> 00:47:17,980
every day to yourself. Yeah. And this is

1348
00:47:17,980 --> 00:47:19,719
not just for preachers. This is not just

1349
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,664
for for everybody. Every believer. Absolutely. And not

1350
00:47:22,664 --> 00:47:25,465
just Christians, but disciples. Well Right? And and

1351
00:47:25,465 --> 00:47:26,985
the good thing that I love, the the

1352
00:47:26,985 --> 00:47:28,905
promise that I have is, yes, he said

1353
00:47:28,905 --> 00:47:30,585
that I've got to die to myself every

1354
00:47:30,585 --> 00:47:31,865
day and to pick up my cross and

1355
00:47:31,865 --> 00:47:34,025
follow him. But he also promised me that

1356
00:47:34,025 --> 00:47:35,485
his mercies are new

1357
00:47:36,030 --> 00:47:38,829
every day. Absolutely. Yeah. That takes me back

1358
00:47:38,829 --> 00:47:40,429
to what you've said before too about, you

1359
00:47:40,429 --> 00:47:42,110
know, some guys on fire in his church

1360
00:47:42,110 --> 00:47:44,190
and somebody just immediately walks up. You must

1361
00:47:44,190 --> 00:47:45,630
be called a priest. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

1362
00:47:45,630 --> 00:47:47,869
it's just he's he's believers. He's got the

1363
00:47:47,869 --> 00:47:49,230
heart of God. Let him go. I see

1364
00:47:49,230 --> 00:47:51,344
it. Yeah. They think they think, man, because

1365
00:47:51,344 --> 00:47:53,505
that guy's so much more on fire than

1366
00:47:53,505 --> 00:47:55,425
I am, and that guy's been there fifty

1367
00:47:55,425 --> 00:47:57,505
years. Yeah. And he's not reading his bible,

1368
00:47:57,505 --> 00:47:59,264
and he's not praying, but this young man

1369
00:47:59,264 --> 00:48:00,704
over here is, oh, he's gotta be a

1370
00:48:00,704 --> 00:48:02,324
preacher. No. He's just

1371
00:48:03,025 --> 00:48:05,339
just a man on fire for God. It's

1372
00:48:05,339 --> 00:48:05,839
amazing

1373
00:48:06,380 --> 00:48:07,199
how fast

1374
00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:09,839
people automatically jump immediately to

1375
00:48:10,139 --> 00:48:11,599
that person's called to be

1376
00:48:11,900 --> 00:48:13,819
a deacon or a preacher or some kind

1377
00:48:13,819 --> 00:48:16,480
of leadership role is where they always go.

1378
00:48:16,684 --> 00:48:18,284
And it's like, do you realize how many

1379
00:48:18,284 --> 00:48:20,284
jobs we have that we need to have

1380
00:48:20,284 --> 00:48:22,525
done around here? Yeah. Just to keep the

1381
00:48:22,525 --> 00:48:24,844
building from collapsing on itself? For crying out

1382
00:48:24,844 --> 00:48:26,364
loud, pick up the candy wrapper on the

1383
00:48:26,364 --> 00:48:28,925
floor. Yeah. Yeah. Right? Maybe it's maybe it's

1384
00:48:28,925 --> 00:48:30,650
doing a little bit of cleaning. Maybe it's

1385
00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:32,809
doing, like I say, just picking some stuff

1386
00:48:32,809 --> 00:48:34,650
up. Maybe it's coming in and actually doing

1387
00:48:34,650 --> 00:48:36,809
some work. Do you remember how many jobs

1388
00:48:36,809 --> 00:48:38,489
that I tried to beg god let me

1389
00:48:38,489 --> 00:48:40,190
have besides this? I know.

1390
00:48:41,610 --> 00:48:44,030
There and but that's the thing. There there's

1391
00:48:44,090 --> 00:48:45,824
so many things to do within a church.

1392
00:48:45,824 --> 00:48:47,824
For some reason, I I and I it's

1393
00:48:47,824 --> 00:48:51,204
always bought just mind mind blowing to me

1394
00:48:51,425 --> 00:48:53,425
at how quick people immediately jump to, oh,

1395
00:48:53,425 --> 00:48:55,425
right there's, the next preacher coming out of

1396
00:48:55,425 --> 00:48:57,425
the church. It's like, what if he's the

1397
00:48:57,425 --> 00:48:59,184
song leader? Yeah. What if what if what

1398
00:48:59,184 --> 00:49:01,349
god has for that kid is to be

1399
00:49:01,349 --> 00:49:02,769
a song leader? Yeah.

1400
00:49:03,550 --> 00:49:05,250
Not not the choir director

1401
00:49:05,710 --> 00:49:08,210
or not not some Yeah. Some other

1402
00:49:08,909 --> 00:49:10,670
just to get up and lead songs on

1403
00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:12,989
Sunday morning, and people are like, well, there's

1404
00:49:12,989 --> 00:49:14,349
nothing to that. You just pick them. It's

1405
00:49:14,349 --> 00:49:16,114
like, do you know how much prayer ought

1406
00:49:16,114 --> 00:49:17,714
to be going into those songs on Sunday

1407
00:49:17,714 --> 00:49:19,315
morning just like how much prayer ought to

1408
00:49:19,315 --> 00:49:21,155
be going into the preacher's sermon? I'm not

1409
00:49:21,155 --> 00:49:22,594
gonna say every preacher does it I'm sure

1410
00:49:22,594 --> 00:49:23,974
there's some out there that don't.

1411
00:49:24,514 --> 00:49:26,275
But it's the same every job in the

1412
00:49:26,275 --> 00:49:27,635
church is the same way there ought to

1413
00:49:27,635 --> 00:49:29,974
be prayer and fasting and time.

1414
00:49:30,489 --> 00:49:32,489
The the the issue is when you go

1415
00:49:32,489 --> 00:49:33,550
back to the old testament

1416
00:49:34,010 --> 00:49:35,309
and you look at Moses,

1417
00:49:35,690 --> 00:49:36,989
when god called Moses,

1418
00:49:37,289 --> 00:49:38,750
he said, I can't do this.

1419
00:49:39,369 --> 00:49:40,890
I I I can't. Yeah. He said, I

1420
00:49:40,890 --> 00:49:43,144
can't speak. I can't do that. And and

1421
00:49:43,144 --> 00:49:45,385
god said, okay. If you can't speak, I'm

1422
00:49:45,385 --> 00:49:47,625
gonna send Aaron with you. Aaron can be

1423
00:49:47,625 --> 00:49:48,364
your spokesperson

1424
00:49:48,744 --> 00:49:49,804
and and do whatever

1425
00:49:50,184 --> 00:49:51,405
you need him to do.

1426
00:49:52,025 --> 00:49:52,844
Well, once

1427
00:49:53,385 --> 00:49:56,710
Moses got that comfort of having somebody else,

1428
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:58,630
you read that entire story. You know how

1429
00:49:58,630 --> 00:50:01,929
many time Aaron actually spoke? Yeah. Zero. Zero.

1430
00:50:01,989 --> 00:50:03,269
Right. Yeah. Because he was

1431
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:07,190
Because he wasn't calling Aaron. No. He was

1432
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:09,574
calling Moses. Yeah. But he had to do

1433
00:50:09,734 --> 00:50:10,554
Yeah. Something

1434
00:50:11,335 --> 00:50:14,014
to and sometimes we may need that Aaron

1435
00:50:14,214 --> 00:50:17,094
Something. Yeah. Stand aside us Right. To give

1436
00:50:17,094 --> 00:50:19,414
us the confidence to say, I can do

1437
00:50:19,414 --> 00:50:21,480
this. We may have to have that rod

1438
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,719
in our hands Yeah. And and to where

1439
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,280
we can move. But we have so many

1440
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:26,780
things,

1441
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,639
but the problem is who is going to

1442
00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:30,300
be willing

1443
00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:34,599
to take up the plow? Yeah. Who's gonna

1444
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:35,179
be willing

1445
00:50:35,585 --> 00:50:37,664
to take the hold and hold the ropes?

1446
00:50:37,664 --> 00:50:40,304
Yeah. Who's gonna be willing to take that

1447
00:50:40,304 --> 00:50:40,804
person

1448
00:50:41,105 --> 00:50:43,025
and show them how to plow? Yeah. Who's

1449
00:50:43,025 --> 00:50:44,784
gonna be willing to take that person and

1450
00:50:44,784 --> 00:50:46,464
show them how to use a hole? Or

1451
00:50:46,464 --> 00:50:48,464
how to use a spreader? Or how to

1452
00:50:48,464 --> 00:50:50,619
pray? Or how to read, or how to

1453
00:50:50,619 --> 00:50:52,300
do all these things. I was talking to

1454
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:54,059
a friend of mine the other day, and

1455
00:50:54,059 --> 00:50:56,480
it was an absolutely terrible day.

1456
00:50:56,860 --> 00:50:58,699
And they said, have you got on your

1457
00:50:58,699 --> 00:50:59,519
knees yet?

1458
00:50:59,900 --> 00:51:00,640
And prayed.

1459
00:51:01,099 --> 00:51:02,320
Yeah. Oh,

1460
00:51:02,625 --> 00:51:05,905
I was I was looking for somebody to

1461
00:51:05,905 --> 00:51:08,784
gripe to. I was looking for somebody that

1462
00:51:08,784 --> 00:51:11,025
would listen to me just get mad. Yeah.

1463
00:51:11,025 --> 00:51:12,704
And their response was, have you got on

1464
00:51:12,704 --> 00:51:14,965
your knees and prayed yet? Yeah. Yeah.

1465
00:51:15,449 --> 00:51:17,609
Yeah. We need that. That's accountability. Right? That's

1466
00:51:17,609 --> 00:51:18,109
accountability.

1467
00:51:18,489 --> 00:51:21,230
Yeah. And that's what we've got to have

1468
00:51:21,449 --> 00:51:22,589
within our congregations

1469
00:51:23,690 --> 00:51:24,750
from our leadership,

1470
00:51:25,050 --> 00:51:27,869
not just the men, but the women. Yeah.

1471
00:51:27,929 --> 00:51:30,885
Yeah. Yeah. Sure. The older women scripture says

1472
00:51:30,885 --> 00:51:33,125
older women. Yeah. Teach the younger women. That's

1473
00:51:33,125 --> 00:51:34,965
right. Yeah. We need we need ladies to

1474
00:51:34,965 --> 00:51:36,885
step up. We we don't have that either.

1475
00:51:36,885 --> 00:51:39,204
Yeah. We've got some godly ladies in our

1476
00:51:39,204 --> 00:51:42,000
church that'll that that will do that, but

1477
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:42,739
they're

1478
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:44,880
they're few and far between now. Right? I

1479
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,960
mean Right. They're, you know, those there there's

1480
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,800
gotta be those that step up. There's gotta

1481
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,539
be those that that will say, you know,

1482
00:51:51,679 --> 00:51:53,760
okay. I I wanted I wanna I want

1483
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,025
you to mentor me or or or us

1484
00:51:56,025 --> 00:51:57,784
go to them and say, I wanna mentor

1485
00:51:57,784 --> 00:51:59,625
you. Would you be willing to let me

1486
00:51:59,625 --> 00:52:01,144
do that? Right. You know, and then spend

1487
00:52:01,144 --> 00:52:02,585
the time. Yeah. You know, one of the

1488
00:52:02,585 --> 00:52:04,105
best ways to do that too is somebody

1489
00:52:04,105 --> 00:52:06,025
asks you for prayer. So, oh, yeah. Yeah.

1490
00:52:06,025 --> 00:52:07,224
I'll pray for you. I'll pray for you.

1491
00:52:07,224 --> 00:52:08,900
And you walk away and forget. Yeah. Right?

1492
00:52:08,900 --> 00:52:10,340
If you just put your arm around that

1493
00:52:10,340 --> 00:52:12,980
person And just pray. Then. Right. That's right.

1494
00:52:12,980 --> 00:52:15,719
That's right. Amen. Amen. Well, I I wanna

1495
00:52:15,860 --> 00:52:17,079
close with this,

1496
00:52:17,619 --> 00:52:18,119
example.

1497
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:21,239
When we started doing some things differently

1498
00:52:21,780 --> 00:52:22,680
at Mount Pleasant,

1499
00:52:23,264 --> 00:52:23,984
my uncle,

1500
00:52:24,545 --> 00:52:26,784
he was chairman of the deacons, and he's

1501
00:52:26,784 --> 00:52:29,184
been there for as long as my my

1502
00:52:29,184 --> 00:52:29,924
whole life.

1503
00:52:30,304 --> 00:52:32,065
This the church I'm pastoring now is the

1504
00:52:32,065 --> 00:52:33,505
church that I grew up in, I was

1505
00:52:33,505 --> 00:52:34,644
born and raised in.

1506
00:52:36,179 --> 00:52:37,859
He come to me after the service. He

1507
00:52:37,859 --> 00:52:39,940
said, Byron, we've never done anything like this

1508
00:52:39,940 --> 00:52:40,440
before.

1509
00:52:40,819 --> 00:52:42,579
You're just gonna have to show us what

1510
00:52:42,579 --> 00:52:43,239
to do.

1511
00:52:44,980 --> 00:52:46,519
And that was some accountability

1512
00:52:46,980 --> 00:52:48,760
to me, but at the same time,

1513
00:52:49,715 --> 00:52:50,454
I thought,

1514
00:52:50,755 --> 00:52:52,355
well, this is a time where you need

1515
00:52:52,355 --> 00:52:53,795
to be in prayer. This is a time

1516
00:52:53,795 --> 00:52:55,255
where you need to be in the word.

1517
00:52:55,315 --> 00:52:57,155
And and, yes, I can I can help

1518
00:52:57,155 --> 00:52:58,835
you point you in the right direction, but

1519
00:52:58,835 --> 00:53:01,074
you're gonna have to be willing Yeah? To

1520
00:53:01,074 --> 00:53:03,394
do it. And and I've seen growth from

1521
00:53:03,394 --> 00:53:03,894
people,

1522
00:53:04,369 --> 00:53:05,829
that have been there for years

1523
00:53:06,289 --> 00:53:08,929
that I never thought I would see because

1524
00:53:08,929 --> 00:53:09,910
they are finally

1525
00:53:11,329 --> 00:53:13,429
their their heart is cultivated

1526
00:53:14,210 --> 00:53:15,989
to the point where they are listening

1527
00:53:16,674 --> 00:53:18,835
to what God is saying. Yeah. Well, just

1528
00:53:18,835 --> 00:53:20,674
in what he said to you lets me

1529
00:53:20,674 --> 00:53:22,914
know that he was willing. Yes. Yes. He

1530
00:53:22,914 --> 00:53:24,755
was coming against you. No. Not at all.

1531
00:53:24,755 --> 00:53:26,594
He was saying Yeah. Help. We just we

1532
00:53:26,594 --> 00:53:28,800
just need help. Yes. That's right. I I

1533
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,960
see that this is right. Yes. We wanna

1534
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,360
follow your leadership and you just but we

1535
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:34,960
need we need some help because we've never

1536
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,039
done this before. And again, it goes back

1537
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:39,599
to as churches, we we go through the

1538
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:41,894
motions. We we know how to do church.

1539
00:53:42,054 --> 00:53:43,894
Yes. We we know how to do church.

1540
00:53:43,894 --> 00:53:45,974
We can, you know, we know Sunday school

1541
00:53:45,974 --> 00:53:48,295
starts at, you know, 09:45.

1542
00:53:48,295 --> 00:53:50,295
We know church starts at eleven. We know,

1543
00:53:50,295 --> 00:53:52,375
you know, Sunday nights. We got our times

1544
00:53:52,375 --> 00:53:54,855
down. We know that we we come in.

1545
00:53:54,855 --> 00:53:56,775
We have Sunday school. We go out. We

1546
00:53:56,775 --> 00:53:59,519
sing. Preacher preaches, we have the altar, and

1547
00:53:59,519 --> 00:54:01,599
and and it's just it it gets to

1548
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:03,140
being monotony. Mundane.

1549
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:05,920
Yeah. It does. It does. And people are

1550
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:06,420
like,

1551
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:07,539
you know.

1552
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:08,400
And,

1553
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,784
so sometimes we gotta stirred up a little

1554
00:54:10,784 --> 00:54:12,704
bit. You know? But that's what we're looking

1555
00:54:12,704 --> 00:54:14,385
at. It's when you're when we're going through

1556
00:54:14,385 --> 00:54:16,385
those motions, we're all looking at our watches

1557
00:54:16,385 --> 00:54:18,625
or looking at the clock Yeah. Wondering when

1558
00:54:18,625 --> 00:54:20,565
are we gonna be done with this? Yeah.

1559
00:54:20,784 --> 00:54:22,005
We had a kid that,

1560
00:54:22,385 --> 00:54:24,565
came to church a couple of Sundays ago,

1561
00:54:24,739 --> 00:54:26,019
and he had only been in church three

1562
00:54:26,019 --> 00:54:27,319
times in his entire life.

1563
00:54:27,699 --> 00:54:28,199
Okay?

1564
00:54:28,980 --> 00:54:29,460
And,

1565
00:54:29,780 --> 00:54:31,859
during the special singing after every song, he

1566
00:54:31,859 --> 00:54:33,859
would I mean, he was excited. He was

1567
00:54:33,859 --> 00:54:36,659
standing up, clapping, calling their names. I mean,

1568
00:54:36,659 --> 00:54:39,139
just like he's at a ballgame. Yeah. The

1569
00:54:39,139 --> 00:54:40,359
looks of people.

1570
00:54:42,045 --> 00:54:44,204
Why? Because it was different. It's different. And

1571
00:54:44,204 --> 00:54:45,905
he did not conform

1572
00:54:46,684 --> 00:54:49,565
to how church is supposed to be. Right.

1573
00:54:49,565 --> 00:54:52,125
I mean Right. Yeah. But you you take

1574
00:54:52,125 --> 00:54:54,465
those same people that will not do that

1575
00:54:54,525 --> 00:54:56,530
and put them in a ballgame setting. And

1576
00:54:56,530 --> 00:54:57,829
they change. Oh,

1577
00:54:58,130 --> 00:54:59,730
yeah. And they'll come off the seat, they'll

1578
00:54:59,730 --> 00:55:02,130
scream at the referee, they'll Yeah. You know,

1579
00:55:02,130 --> 00:55:04,710
they'll they'll I mean, they'll throw their popcorn,

1580
00:55:04,849 --> 00:55:06,230
you know. I I mean,

1581
00:55:06,690 --> 00:55:08,690
it's a whole different it's a whole different

1582
00:55:08,690 --> 00:55:11,594
atmosphere. Yeah. You know? And some maybe I

1583
00:55:11,594 --> 00:55:12,795
don't know. Maybe we need to put some

1584
00:55:12,795 --> 00:55:13,855
bleachers in the church.

1585
00:55:14,155 --> 00:55:16,715
Is worshiped. Right? Yes. Yeah. It was just

1586
00:55:16,715 --> 00:55:18,954
like yesterday morning. We had a a family

1587
00:55:18,954 --> 00:55:19,454
visit,

1588
00:55:19,835 --> 00:55:21,514
and, the lady brought her,

1589
00:55:21,835 --> 00:55:24,199
nephew, and he's got Down syndrome, and he's

1590
00:55:24,199 --> 00:55:25,339
a really great kid.

1591
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:26,940
And, she said,

1592
00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:30,199
he he really wants to to help y'all

1593
00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:31,179
sing. Yeah.

1594
00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:33,559
Okay. Come on. Yeah. So we got up

1595
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:35,659
there Hop on there. Watching that boy

1596
00:55:36,275 --> 00:55:37,894
sing Amazing Grace. Mhmm.

1597
00:55:38,434 --> 00:55:40,914
The tears that were rolling down people's faces

1598
00:55:41,155 --> 00:55:44,594
Yeah. Because it was pure Yeah. Worship that

1599
00:55:44,594 --> 00:55:45,575
was unadultered

1600
00:55:46,035 --> 00:55:49,094
Yeah. Yeah. That in its purest form. Yeah.

1601
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:51,750
And most of the time, we're scared for

1602
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:53,989
that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We we like we

1603
00:55:53,989 --> 00:55:57,190
like to sing, but don't praise. Yes. Yeah.

1604
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:58,570
Yes. We know the word.

1605
00:55:58,950 --> 00:56:01,530
Just say them. Right. Sing it. And we

1606
00:56:01,590 --> 00:56:03,125
we know the words, and we and we

1607
00:56:03,125 --> 00:56:04,885
don't let them get here. Yeah. Let them

1608
00:56:04,885 --> 00:56:06,105
sink in and we don't

1609
00:56:06,484 --> 00:56:08,405
we don't think, man, this I'm I'm not

1610
00:56:08,405 --> 00:56:11,045
singing to sound good. I'm singing to lift

1611
00:56:11,045 --> 00:56:11,864
up the Nasarites.

1612
00:56:12,244 --> 00:56:13,925
I mean, that's why the psalmist says offer

1613
00:56:13,925 --> 00:56:15,764
up the sacrifice of praise of our from

1614
00:56:15,764 --> 00:56:19,179
our lips. Yeah. Yeah. But but the problem

1615
00:56:19,179 --> 00:56:21,280
with that is we have got so conditioned

1616
00:56:21,420 --> 00:56:23,039
to lip service Mhmm.

1617
00:56:23,340 --> 00:56:23,840
Yeah.

1618
00:56:24,539 --> 00:56:27,500
That we have forgotten the praise. And because

1619
00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:28,880
we've forgotten the praise,

1620
00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:30,239
we've forgotten

1621
00:56:30,795 --> 00:56:32,635
the rest of it. Yeah. You're lit call

1622
00:56:32,635 --> 00:56:33,994
out my name, but your heart's far from

1623
00:56:33,994 --> 00:56:35,934
it. Yes. Yes. Yeah. It's that apathy.

1624
00:56:36,554 --> 00:56:39,054
That's it. It's that apathy again. Yeah.

1625
00:56:39,914 --> 00:56:41,454
Amen. Amen. Oh, we're horrible.

1626
00:56:42,714 --> 00:56:43,214
Well,

1627
00:56:44,155 --> 00:56:44,655
we're

1628
00:56:46,699 --> 00:56:48,940
We gotta fix it, man. We gotta fix

1629
00:56:48,940 --> 00:56:50,000
it. So yeah.

1630
00:56:50,539 --> 00:56:52,219
I mean, Byron, I appreciate you being here.

1631
00:56:52,219 --> 00:56:53,659
Thank you. Thank you for letting me be

1632
00:56:53,659 --> 00:56:54,980
here. This won't be the last time we'll

1633
00:56:54,980 --> 00:56:56,619
get I hope not. Get back in here.

1634
00:56:56,619 --> 00:56:59,420
We're not. Definitely. Definitely. Because that is that

1635
00:56:59,420 --> 00:56:59,920
is

1636
00:57:00,380 --> 00:57:01,119
a fantastic

1637
00:57:01,875 --> 00:57:03,494
fantastic subject and a fantastic

1638
00:57:04,034 --> 00:57:05,494
direction to look at because,

1639
00:57:05,954 --> 00:57:09,074
man, we like apathy. Purely apathy. We have

1640
00:57:09,074 --> 00:57:11,875
gotten so lazy. Yes. Well, that Yeah. Myra's

1641
00:57:11,875 --> 00:57:13,795
our ideal, man. We had our meetings, man.

1642
00:57:13,795 --> 00:57:15,235
He'd always come up with something good to

1643
00:57:15,235 --> 00:57:17,574
do. They didn't. As they want. Yeah.

1644
00:57:18,010 --> 00:57:20,410
Well and and that's the thing. It's the

1645
00:57:20,410 --> 00:57:22,670
the key to all of it is get

1646
00:57:22,730 --> 00:57:25,849
in the word. Yeah. Get back to what

1647
00:57:25,849 --> 00:57:28,170
the scripture says. Stop worrying about if you're

1648
00:57:28,170 --> 00:57:30,195
gonna upset somebody. If

1649
00:57:30,675 --> 00:57:32,755
great great great great grandma that's been dead

1650
00:57:32,755 --> 00:57:34,275
for two hundred and fifty years wouldn't have

1651
00:57:34,275 --> 00:57:36,515
done it that way, it's fine. I promise.

1652
00:57:36,515 --> 00:57:37,735
It is. And

1653
00:57:38,035 --> 00:57:39,474
and with that being said, one of the

1654
00:57:39,474 --> 00:57:40,215
things is

1655
00:57:40,515 --> 00:57:42,835
we truly live in the information age to

1656
00:57:42,835 --> 00:57:45,389
where we have more resources to understand what

1657
00:57:45,469 --> 00:57:48,510
the word of God says Yeah. Than we

1658
00:57:48,510 --> 00:57:50,750
ever have. That's right. And, you know, I

1659
00:57:50,750 --> 00:57:51,569
have things

1660
00:57:51,869 --> 00:57:52,929
at my disposal

1661
00:57:53,389 --> 00:57:55,710
that my grandfather, when he was standing behind

1662
00:57:55,710 --> 00:57:56,369
the pulpit,

1663
00:57:56,909 --> 00:57:58,529
never had a clue even

1664
00:57:59,585 --> 00:58:02,065
was there. Right. That's right. I can look

1665
00:58:02,065 --> 00:58:04,065
at the Greek lexicon. I can look at

1666
00:58:04,065 --> 00:58:06,385
the Hebrew lexicon. I can look at what

1667
00:58:06,385 --> 00:58:08,545
these words actually meant in Aramaic. Yeah. I

1668
00:58:08,545 --> 00:58:10,545
can put it into the context. I can

1669
00:58:10,545 --> 00:58:12,349
see how all of it is.

1670
00:58:12,730 --> 00:58:15,050
And that's the same word that was two

1671
00:58:15,050 --> 00:58:16,809
thousand years ago, and it's still just as

1672
00:58:16,809 --> 00:58:19,050
real today. Absolutely. And, man, I've just have

1673
00:58:19,050 --> 00:58:21,690
more resources. That's right. And and and it's

1674
00:58:21,690 --> 00:58:23,690
fine to use those resources. Right? Absolutely. You

1675
00:58:23,690 --> 00:58:25,454
gotta be careful with some of them. And

1676
00:58:25,614 --> 00:58:27,875
but that's that comes along with discernment and

1677
00:58:28,015 --> 00:58:30,035
and and growing. But, yeah, I mean, especially

1678
00:58:30,094 --> 00:58:31,715
digging into the Greek and Hebrew,

1679
00:58:32,255 --> 00:58:34,414
if you got a strong concordance, just pick

1680
00:58:34,414 --> 00:58:36,335
that thing out. Yeah. Start looking those words

1681
00:58:36,335 --> 00:58:38,414
up. Break those verses apart. You can preach

1682
00:58:38,414 --> 00:58:39,155
a whole message.

1683
00:58:39,900 --> 00:58:41,339
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we've got these apps

1684
00:58:41,339 --> 00:58:42,859
on these phones, man. It's got a hundred

1685
00:58:42,859 --> 00:58:44,699
different versions of the Bible. Yes. Read more

1686
00:58:44,699 --> 00:58:46,619
than one, you'll it'll open your eyes, you

1687
00:58:46,619 --> 00:58:49,099
know? Yeah. Amen. And and and the context

1688
00:58:49,099 --> 00:58:50,859
of this thing is is, it's something I

1689
00:58:50,859 --> 00:58:53,019
was I was, in that Charles Stanley study

1690
00:58:53,019 --> 00:58:55,175
I'm doing is, you know, I've all always

1691
00:58:55,175 --> 00:58:57,175
been about the context. You know, the entire

1692
00:58:57,175 --> 00:58:59,094
Bible has one context. Yeah. You know, it's

1693
00:58:59,094 --> 00:59:01,094
got tells one story. Yeah. But each letter

1694
00:59:01,094 --> 00:59:02,934
is written to a specific group of people

1695
00:59:02,934 --> 00:59:04,775
for a specific reason. Right. And and you

1696
00:59:04,775 --> 00:59:06,295
can get bogged down in that a little

1697
00:59:06,295 --> 00:59:07,275
bit and understand

1698
00:59:07,630 --> 00:59:10,250
that that letter was written to you. Mhmm.

1699
00:59:10,349 --> 00:59:12,829
It's personal. Yes. And it's ever been as

1700
00:59:12,829 --> 00:59:14,590
real now as it was two thousand years

1701
00:59:14,590 --> 00:59:16,909
ago. I can find myself in every letter

1702
00:59:16,909 --> 00:59:19,389
that Paul wrote. Absolutely. To every church. True.

1703
00:59:19,389 --> 00:59:20,690
Yep. Yes. Absolutely.

1704
00:59:21,070 --> 00:59:23,675
Absolutely. Somewhere in there. I can look and

1705
00:59:23,675 --> 00:59:25,375
say, well, if I'm not there now,

1706
00:59:25,755 --> 00:59:28,315
I I either was there or boy, wouldn't

1707
00:59:28,315 --> 00:59:29,934
it be nice if I was

1708
00:59:30,715 --> 00:59:32,074
where he's telling them how good of a

1709
00:59:32,074 --> 00:59:33,594
job they're doing and talking about, hey, I'm

1710
00:59:33,594 --> 00:59:35,195
so proud of you and I'm you know,

1711
00:59:35,195 --> 00:59:37,029
they're great and talking about, you know, he's

1712
00:59:37,029 --> 00:59:38,630
writing to Timothy a couple of times and

1713
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:40,150
he's like, oh, man. You're doing good and

1714
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:42,069
do this. And I'm like, well, I could

1715
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:43,269
be there if I didn't put a little

1716
00:59:43,269 --> 00:59:44,010
effort in.

1717
00:59:44,389 --> 00:59:46,869
Yes. Yes. I mean, I am. Yes. Amen.

1718
00:59:46,869 --> 00:59:47,369
Amen.

1719
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:48,329
But,

1720
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:49,449
you know,

1721
00:59:50,195 --> 00:59:52,514
dive in. Dive into the word. Yeah. Don't

1722
00:59:52,514 --> 00:59:55,715
be afraid and don't don't worry about upsetting

1723
00:59:55,715 --> 00:59:58,114
people. What people are looking for, those that

1724
00:59:58,114 --> 01:00:00,514
are not in church, I promise you the

1725
01:00:00,514 --> 01:00:02,695
thing that will get through to the world

1726
01:00:02,755 --> 01:00:04,534
faster than anything else,

1727
01:00:05,230 --> 01:00:08,110
be genuine. Be real. Yeah. Be real. Just

1728
01:00:08,110 --> 01:00:08,849
be genuine.

1729
01:00:09,230 --> 01:00:11,630
Man. Don't try to deceive them. And invite

1730
01:00:11,630 --> 01:00:13,630
somebody. Yeah. Yeah. I had a friend of

1731
01:00:13,630 --> 01:00:16,510
mine graduated high school with we're both 44

1732
01:00:16,510 --> 01:00:18,894
years old. Last year was the first time

1733
01:00:18,894 --> 01:00:20,835
he ever had been invited personally

1734
01:00:22,655 --> 01:00:25,714
by another human being to church. Wow. Wow.

1735
01:00:26,174 --> 01:00:28,894
Wow. Wow. Okay? In in the Bible Belt.

1736
01:00:28,894 --> 01:00:30,514
In the Bible Belt. Yeah. Okay?

1737
01:00:30,909 --> 01:00:31,730
Buckle. Yeah.

1738
01:00:32,429 --> 01:00:36,210
Think about that. Invite somebody. Love somebody because

1739
01:00:37,070 --> 01:00:37,730
the world

1740
01:00:38,110 --> 01:00:40,989
is looking for somebody that's willing to love

1741
01:00:40,989 --> 01:00:43,070
them. Well, the thing is, don't assume. Don't

1742
01:00:43,070 --> 01:00:45,714
assume that they've invited the church. Don't assume

1743
01:00:45,714 --> 01:00:47,714
that those kids, because we found that out

1744
01:00:47,714 --> 01:00:49,155
in the last several years, and that's what

1745
01:00:49,155 --> 01:00:50,835
shows me we're really not in the bible

1746
01:00:50,835 --> 01:00:51,574
belt anymore.

1747
01:00:52,434 --> 01:00:53,795
You you talk to some of these kids

1748
01:00:53,795 --> 01:00:56,835
at bible school on Wednesday night, and and

1749
01:00:56,835 --> 01:00:59,309
the stories that we were told growing up,

1750
01:00:59,390 --> 01:01:01,550
you know, the Adam and Eve. So Noah's

1751
01:01:01,550 --> 01:01:03,329
Ark, the all those things,

1752
01:01:03,630 --> 01:01:05,309
they have no clue. And and some of

1753
01:01:05,309 --> 01:01:07,230
them, I mean, they don't know who Jesus

1754
01:01:07,230 --> 01:01:09,309
is. Right? I mean, they they don't they

1755
01:01:09,309 --> 01:01:10,050
don't know,

1756
01:01:10,590 --> 01:01:12,190
the stories of the Bible. They don't know

1757
01:01:12,190 --> 01:01:13,355
that he died on a cross for those

1758
01:01:13,355 --> 01:01:15,275
things. They don't understand any of that stuff

1759
01:01:15,275 --> 01:01:17,835
because nobody's ever told them, and there's such

1760
01:01:17,835 --> 01:01:20,474
a generation gap Yes. On who's brought them

1761
01:01:20,474 --> 01:01:22,394
to church. Right? It's been broke down, man.

1762
01:01:22,394 --> 01:01:24,155
And and just like you said, we're so

1763
01:01:24,155 --> 01:01:25,755
far removed from where we need to be.

1764
01:01:25,755 --> 01:01:28,414
Yes. We're several generations right now. But Yep.

1765
01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:30,500
Hey. Next week, next week,

1766
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,920
we will have, Adrian Rogers, Jay Vernon McGee,

1767
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,079
and Billy Graham here. So, you all you

1768
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:36,900
all should enter.

1769
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:39,699
Oh, man. Close the medium.

1770
01:01:42,045 --> 01:01:42,335
I mean, maybe they're I mean, they're they're

1771
01:01:42,335 --> 01:01:44,864
they're they're they're they're they're they're all

1772
01:01:45,644 --> 01:01:47,885
do something about that to the lady that,

1773
01:01:47,885 --> 01:01:48,545
you know

1774
01:01:51,804 --> 01:01:53,585
Just chilling. So y'all tune in.

1775
01:01:57,890 --> 01:01:59,030
On that note,

1776
01:02:00,369 --> 01:02:02,150
and it has it's been a great discussion

1777
01:02:02,210 --> 01:02:02,710
tonight.

1778
01:02:04,289 --> 01:02:06,150
Very much enjoyed it. Man, that was

1779
01:02:06,849 --> 01:02:07,890
I like I like it when we get

1780
01:02:07,890 --> 01:02:09,010
into one of those where we step on

1781
01:02:09,010 --> 01:02:10,690
our own toes Yes. Four or five times

1782
01:02:10,690 --> 01:02:12,070
before we get done. Understood.

1783
01:02:12,994 --> 01:02:13,494
But,

1784
01:02:14,035 --> 01:02:15,875
next week, we're we are gonna take a

1785
01:02:15,875 --> 01:02:17,474
break in in all honesty for,

1786
01:02:18,515 --> 01:02:20,675
Memorial Day. Take the time to remember the

1787
01:02:20,675 --> 01:02:22,355
soldiers and the people that have given their

1788
01:02:22,355 --> 01:02:23,795
lives to give us a country where we

1789
01:02:23,795 --> 01:02:25,394
have the freedom to do what we're doing

1790
01:02:25,394 --> 01:02:28,109
right now. Yeah. Be grateful for them. Be

1791
01:02:28,109 --> 01:02:28,769
be thankful

1792
01:02:29,389 --> 01:02:31,550
and thank God that he gave us men

1793
01:02:31,550 --> 01:02:33,550
and women to lead us to the place

1794
01:02:33,550 --> 01:02:34,369
we're at today.

1795
01:02:34,670 --> 01:02:35,489
And that includes

1796
01:02:35,789 --> 01:02:37,710
not just the religious leaders, it took the

1797
01:02:37,710 --> 01:02:39,695
it took the politicians too. So, you know,

1798
01:02:39,695 --> 01:02:41,534
thank God that he gave us some good

1799
01:02:41,534 --> 01:02:42,974
ones over the years to get us here

1800
01:02:42,974 --> 01:02:44,414
today. Amen. And,

1801
01:02:44,894 --> 01:02:46,735
you know, take that time. Spend that time

1802
01:02:46,735 --> 01:02:48,655
in remembrance with your family. Spend that time

1803
01:02:48,735 --> 01:02:50,335
yeah, get a hamburger or two. You know,

1804
01:02:50,335 --> 01:02:52,409
Memorial Day is great for that. Oh, yeah.

1805
01:02:53,369 --> 01:02:53,849
But,

1806
01:02:54,329 --> 01:02:57,289
we will be back the first Monday in

1807
01:02:57,289 --> 01:02:59,769
June, I believe is the the first one

1808
01:02:59,769 --> 01:03:01,869
after that. So we will be back then

1809
01:03:02,170 --> 01:03:04,409
and looking very very much looking forward to

1810
01:03:04,409 --> 01:03:05,369
it. And,

1811
01:03:06,215 --> 01:03:08,454
brother Byron, would you mind praying us out

1812
01:03:08,454 --> 01:03:10,934
tonight? Be an honor too. Father god, we

1813
01:03:10,934 --> 01:03:13,014
thank you for the opportunity that we had

1814
01:03:13,014 --> 01:03:14,554
just to gather tonight,

1815
01:03:15,014 --> 01:03:16,954
lord god, and just do this podcast.

1816
01:03:17,735 --> 01:03:20,360
Lord, I pray that your name was lifted

1817
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,280
up, that your name was praised. But father

1818
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:22,780
god,

1819
01:03:23,079 --> 01:03:26,059
that hearts were pricked, that hearts were,

1820
01:03:26,519 --> 01:03:29,079
touched, that lives can be changed through the

1821
01:03:29,079 --> 01:03:31,905
word that was given tonight. God, that there

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would be accountability

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in our own lives that, lord, we will

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see change in our congregations, that we will

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see change in our communities.

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And father god, we will see people that

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are wanting to get personal, not only with

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you, but with others in the community. God,

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that we will be intentional with one another,

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and, god, that we will love people the

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way you have called us to love them.

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That, god, we would be that light on

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a hill. That we would be the salt

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of the earth that you've called us to

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be. God, I thank you for the men

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that are in this room, and I ask

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that you just put a hedge of protection

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around them and, lord god, their families. Lord,

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for Dennis's, family member, lord god, that,

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has, been diagnosed, lord god, and,

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that you would just touch them. We know

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that you are the great physician. And, heavenly

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father, we just pray,

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that if there is somebody listening to this

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tonight that's lost, that today would be the

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day of their salvation. Yes. And, god, we

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pray these things in your son's name. Amen.

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Amen. Amen.

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Special thank you to Carter Pridmore,

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Brian Harris, Waverly Henderson,

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Tatum Harris Spears, and Josie Bartain for our

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theme song, truth set me free. I've been

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Tyler Goza on production and audio.

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We hope you can join us live next

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Monday at 6PM central.

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Thank you for listening.